The Loss of Lottery

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I read last night that a single person won two billion dollars in the US lottery last night, which sounds amazing! However, according to many people who have won the lottery, it isn't all what it is cracked up to be and many end up in worse positions in life than they did prior to winning.

I would like to test that theory.

Anyone want to give me two billion dollars?

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I do understand why people struggle though, as there are so many "new pressures" that arise once there is more money on the table and let's face it, the average person has zero experience with being a "one-percenter". This means that despite their "If I had.. I would..." statements, once they have, they pretty much never do what they think they would. This is because we aren't actually very good at predicting our behavior based on conditions we haven't got a relatively good understanding of.

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living off interest, reminded me of why I think that given the opportunity of sudden wealth, I don't think that it would cause me too many issues and, I don't think I would ever end up worse off.And this comment from @bozz on a recent post of mine where I mentioned

The reason is that while I have "expensive" tastes (relative to my earnings) in some things, they are generally not in short-term consumables and entertainment, they are in functional needs.

For example, during the recent renovation of the kitchen, my wife and I had to make a lot of purchase decisions based on our budget, as well as our tastes. Had we had "endless" amounts of money, other than paying for people to do more of the work, I don't think the final cost would have been much different than what it was. the only additional expenses would be things that we will get later anyway, like the kitchen stools we want, stools that are still in production since the 1940s, but are also selling secondhand for over 50% of the price of new, even in average condition. They are consumables, but with a long lifespan.

A million dollars doesn't go far.

But, it runs even shorter when it is spent on non-generative consumables and activities, like cars and opulent holidays. For me, I have no idea how much I would need to have liquid in order to feel I can afford to buy even a mid-range luxury car, but a million dollars isn't going to cut it. It is the same with a house, as I have no interest in having a palace that is a large investment in and then the maintenance and care on top, when it doesn't bring anything I value, to my life.

Now, two billion dollars is an insane amount of money and would literally buy 5,000 houses similar to my own, but as Bozz said above, a million is enough as he has "other stuff" in place too. This means additional income, whether it be active like a job, or more passive like investment returns. Either way, "income" is important and probably where the lottery winners go wrong, as so many of them seem to forget about their need to keep refilling the well from which they are drawing from. And often, the "investments" they do make are instable and uncertain, as they are suddenly confident that because they have the wealth, they have the mindset and abilities of the self-made wealthy.

Of course, if this was the case, they would have already been wealthy and likely wouldn't have been playing the lottery in the first place, as the wealthy often don't play the lottery, because they see that the potential to win is not worth the weekly expenditure. They don't tend to have the "someone has to win" attitude, they generally have the "play the odds" attitude, where the gains might be smaller, but the chance of gain is far higher. This means that there is more certainty in the gains and that they can be rolled back in to increase the amounts gained over time.

It isn't sexy.

However, it reminds of a quote from the movie the Patriot and I think it also appeared in American Sniper:

Aim small, miss small.

Hail Mary plays are unlikely to complete by definition. They are acts of desperation where in order to win, there is no other opportunity than to play the long odds and throw deep down field, hoping that it will be received for a score. While there are times this might be needed as it is the only card on the table, good financial practice shouldn't rely on these kinds of plays, because while they make great highlight reels, the odds are not in their favor. There is a survivorship bias and the winners are remembered, not the many losers.

Yet, as humans, we tend to favor the highlight reel plays, because they are more interesting, engaging and make us feel alive. We want to be part of the excitement, we want to feel that thrill and exhilaration - and when we are newly minted wealthy, we will feel somewhat indestructible and our confidence goes up, because we have a safety net of resources behind us. A few losses don't matter - we can absorb them.

This happens at much lower levels too, where power "goes to the head" where for example, people who have been recently promoted to have more responsibility in their company, can start to become a little "too" confident in their behavior, which will generally lead to pushback from colleagues eventually. Give someone a large a ´mount of money to do with as they please and what they "please" is probably not overly good financial hygiene, which leads to various knock-on problems, which they aren't necessarily accustomed to dealing with - like family demands.

A lot of lottery winners cite family and friends pressures and losses to their worsening of experience, where the people closest to them want to benefit from their windfall also, a tap they can expect to always remain open. Just look at the behavior in crypto around airdrops and maximization practices and that is a good indicator of human behavior when there is "free money" on offer.

Now, winning the lottery is not in my future, as I never have a ticket, but it is an interesting thing to think about in terms of how we predict our own behavior. We often think that we would do this, and never do that, but over the years, the amount of stories that contradict our predictions, is telling. And, this means that even without winning the lottery, we are likely already harboring the behaviors and mindset of those lottery failures, which means that at a lower scale, we are acting the same.

They say "drunk with power" - and money is power. But like drinking, our behaviors are amplified. There are the drunks who become happier, the drunks that become depressive, the drunks that become aggressive. When sober, there is more impulse control, more thought, higher barriers, less freedom, a greater sense of responsibility; remove these behavioral restrictions and we don't necessarily act as well as we might while sober, but in the drunken moments, we are still doing what we like, even though we might have a moral hangover the next morning.

We might think that we are better than that, but untested, how do we know?

It's a lot of lottery.

Taraz
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These days, if someone talks about certain things they would or wouldn't do... I smile inwardly and I tell them, ' Virginity is a lack of opportunity

What I am always trying to point out to them is that they can't really tell how they will react to circumstances unless it happens to them. So, they could go on and on about what they would or wouldn't do because they haven't been there, or done that.

And the truth is, you can't really know a person until circumstances present themselves.

Again, it takes someone who has had a lot of unlearning and relearning about his finances to make the right call when he wins the jackpot.

I am saying this because, in the past, I know that every time, I wonder, 'What would I do if I have so and so amount of money? I usually thought of all the flashy things I would buy, and the spending I would throw each dollar on.

After I had learned a bit about money and how it's supposed to work when those thoughts come around, I am often surprised because I no longer think of buying those liabilities, this time I think of assets, which portfolio I would put the money, which asset class, and in terms of my personal life, I think of how I can beat inflation and curtail lousy spending by buying basic needs in bulk and storing them up to last for a certain period. Something of this nature.

And whenever, I am done, I often pat myself on the back because I feel I have really grown out of my old mindset and I am starting to embrace a different mindset... One channeled towards financial stability.

Virginity is a lack of opportunity

:D

And the truth is, you can't really know a person until circumstances present themselves.

Which is why experience is essential for being a good judge of character - and erven then it fails often enough to be wary.

I think that your change in thinking is reflective on your change in content consumption and behavior too - where you "are what you eat" and start to resemble surroundings.

And I agree completely

As you said, human nature is human nature and it is hard to imagine what I would do if I won that much money. We threw some money away on tickets, but didn't win anything on any of them. My hope would be that besides a handful of "splurge" items and crypto buys, the majority of my money would be locked up in different investments so that passive streams could benefit both my wife and our families with little chance of us accessing them to use them foolishly. I'd also like to move a large chunk into a charitable foundation so that those passive gains could benefit others for years to come. I prefer to think about what that money could do over the long term versus what it can get me immediately. A lakeside vacation home isn't off the table though. The other thing is after taxes it's only 700 million or something like that, but a lot of people just can't handle numbers that big. Not when you are used to planning your weekly budget in the three or four figures. Nine figures is just lobotomizing for them.

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the majority of my money would be locked up in different investments so that passive streams could benefit both my wife and our families with little chance of us accessing them to use them foolishly.

I think I would do the same, take the lumpsum, but invest it into a range of things now, generating multiple income streams that can be used by others too.

The other thing is after taxes it's only 700 million

Funny to put in the "only" :D

WE fail with big numbers, which is why we calla bank robber a criminal, but don't bat an eyelid when a robber steals the national economy.

Yeah, I have really started to understand number dismorphia or whatever you want to call it since I got into crypto.

I am guessing some kind of legal trust would be the way to go with the lump sum. I mean really you can buy most anything reasonable off the top, so what would your monthly living costs really need to be? I'm thinking $5000 per month would be plenty where I live. Actually way more than enough. That only requires like 1m of the 700-800m assuming 10% interest.

My hope is I could stay that humble anyway.

I've always thought about this. Money is like a spirit, it vanishes as quickly at it comes. The truth is, the bigger your income, the bigger your expenditure. So even if you think that a million dollars can solve your life's problem, most time it's not true as it is the beginning of your life problem especially if one is not financially smart. The money you earn is even difficult to control not to talk of the one we didn't work for

I think that if one keeps working regardless, the effort of working keeps some of the issues in check, as there is still the sense of doing something to earn. I don't understand retirement :D

$2 billion is obscene I'm left wondering who makes the decisions about the amounts.

It's almost like a form of class warfare once you get above say $10 million

Yeah, it is a massive amount. instantly one of the worlds richest people - likely from very little.

With that amount, I don't think I would want to tell anyone - ever.

We can see many examples of that in famous ppl, which had an incredibly huge income during a period of their life, and suddenly when that income ends, they have a hard time not losing most of their assets and struggling to survive.

Our relationship with money is quite different from any other thing. Those who have gone through day trading know that quite well. We don't know how we will respond to many of the decisions we may have to face if we ever get a huge amount of money in our hands.

It is true that the older you are, the more common sense you put into your decisions, and basically, you spend more time thinking about the important ones before moving forward. But it is quite hard to know our reaction when we face something for the first time. Maybe some of us would not spend big sums of money on things we don't need but would invest in something we do not understand enough or without evaluating the risk properly. That could also lead to losing most of that money and facing trouble if we have an imbalance between what we earn and what we spend for a living.

celebrities, athletes, rich kids...

Those who have gone through day trading know that quite well.

Being able to wear those losses daily, even for an hour or two, must cause heart issues.

but would invest in something we do not understand enough or without evaluating the risk properly.

I think this would be the most common loss of the majority - overconfidence in knowledge. Having a lot of money, doesn't mean knowing a lot about making money.

$2 billion winning is over 29 years = $997.6 million cash value lump sum today and pay the taxes = $600 million take home?

Still a lot of money. Winning a lottery can be a curse.

You will all of the sudden have a lot of “best” friends, a lot of family and extended family, you are the goldmine for charities and fraudsters, and everyone wants a piece of it.

Money will be spent for your personal security, life will not be the same. Do you want to be that visible? Can you even hide under the radar?

Is it a bless or a curse?

Life and natural always find a balance, are lottery winners using up their 🍀 luck and the opposite soon to come? Seems to be the case for many.

You will all of the sudden have a lot of “best” friends, a lot of family and extended family, you are the goldmine for charities and fraudsters, and everyone wants a piece of it.

I think I would be up to this challenge - though I would be a round at the pub ;)

Do you want to be that visible? Can you even hide under the radar?

For me, no - I want to be anonymous or at most, normal. Hard to do for sure, when there is a billion dollars in the bank. However, moving somewhere warm and away from most others, it might be possible. Tahiti?

I am one of those that maybe buys a dozen lottery tickets in a year and forgets to check them or loses them. It's just not important to me but it would be nice to have that safety net in place. Luckily I don't have many friends or family left that really need anything but the ones that do would be taken care of for sure. If I had two billion dollars there would be a lot of flatearthers on a boat to Antartica.

If I had two billion dollars there would be a lot of flatearthers on a boat to Antartica.

:D

Put them on a plane to the edge of the stratosphere

So many that get these big new windfalls end up busted and broken. Wild spending sprees, playing father Christmas to friends and family and entertaining a line of new con man "friends" soon rid them of their riches.
The new "freedom" of large windfalls is only life's way of showing us how fallible we are.
Earn it and respect it, win it and spend it.

Friends and family become something else in the face of large amounts of money.

Oh yeah and I have seen that personally.

It is true when you receive such a large amount of money, the change is brutal and it is difficult to react appropriately. Even to spend money you have to learn. But I think it's more of a character thing. To do what you want more than what they incite you to do, that way it is difficult to have problems.
Although I must say that if you receive 2,000 million dollars I see it very difficult to end up in ruin, you have to do things really badly. Although it is certainly not impossible.

Although I must say that if you receive 2,000 million dollars I see it very difficult to end up in ruin, you have to do things really badly

You'd have to be pretty bad with money for sure!! :D

Winning a lottery may be seen as a miracle, but when one try to put those money into use, you realize that, it might not be enough with people or family also wanting to get a share from it , because they feel it's a huge amount, personally if I get to win a lottery, I will gather invest in more valuable things that will increase the amount than it was.

So as to enable me share with other family members when it's time. That's for me anyway.

Do you think you would be able to deny giving to your friends and family? Listening to their stories about how hard life is, or a great opportunity? Might be harder than expected.

Yes it might be hard to ignore them, but I think, sorting out the much needed things would do it.
Like making a scale of preference?

People will call you greedy and uncaring - are you ready?

Hmmm, the truth is I am not ready, cause might not be able to overlook

Oh man love that you reminded me of the movie the patriot, that’s a classic! Good and accurate quote for sure.

People with the lottery winnings are most often pissing it away and losing it all in a few short years because of the mismanagement of their money. I don’t bother playing the poor tax lottery because it’s a waste of money for me lol. If for some reason I did play it and won, I’m thinking I would take the consistent payments instead of lump sum so that it’s an actual income and not a lump sum payment that gets spent to hell in a hand basket.

The other thing with the lottery winners is I don’t want all that attention and media coverage. You know that the person has to get protection because every criminal is going to be looking them up trying to steal from them somehow.

In some ways I hope it’s someone in their 90s that won lol that way they will donate it to something hilarious and random like a cat shelter or some shit lol.

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I’m thinking I would take the consistent payments instead of lump sum so that it’s an actual income and not a lump sum payment that gets spent to hell in a hand basket.

I have been thinking about this too, but at the same time (depending on how much) I might take the lumpsum. for a billion, 30M a year would help me get by though... However, if it was for a couple million, lump sum. There is also the risk of whether it would be honored for 30 years...

I would like to see that cat shelter two years later... :D

I regret spending a lot of money on 5 star hotels in 2021-2022. Now I could buy tens of thousands of Hive with them.
But if I again have a large income. Won't I do the same? I dont know.

Would you do the same? Hard to say.

For me, I have never really been a fan of expensive hotels unless the company is paying, because when traveling for pleasure, I am barely in the hotel at all. When the price is okay through a deal, I don't mind though - especially if it is a place where there is not much to do otherwise, like a resort.

Haha, I took almost the exact same photo the other day only the notes are around the other way. Yours looks better though. I'll send mine on WhatsApp.

That is weird eh? It makes for a nice picture though. Australian money is probably among the prettiest.

Yep, funny huh? Now I think I'll not use it for a post as you did already...although my money is better than your money (because it's my money.) 🤣

Man, even with nearly $1 billion to cash out immediately, I could invest a bit to live comfortably myself, and invest the majority to run the entire regional library network independently to boot!

Isn't it crazy!?

Think of Sam Bankman-Fried's story too. He kind of won the lottery too in that venture funds showered him with $18bn of funding.

And instead of securing his exchange with pristine reserves full of Treasuries, he gambled it on ventures like Solana and playing the "big shot" rescuing Voyager etc.

And now it's all gone. He had a gambler's mentality for sure.

over confidence breeds poor judgement.

I don't really think the lottery is worth it as you pay the government a large portion of it and then most people don't even know what to do with the money. So it ends up causing a bunch of issues and I would prefer not to win. If I had no choice, I would prefer to be anonymous and make sure the people around me did not find out.

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as you pay the government a large portion of it

I think if they take the lumpsum, they will get 1.4b in this case - not too bad :D

Did you see the case in china where the person won something like 50m and then collected the check in a costume so his wife and child didn't know? He did it because he was worried the money would make them lazy and not want to work :)

I think the guy did the smart move and I remember that story. It's the best way as money can really hurt/change relationships.

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It is really a huge done if money to have but it is not about having the money but utilizing it because as sweet as it comes can also make it varnish if care is not taken.

With that amount, it would last forever unless very bad with money - but the smaller amount, a few million, disappears fast.

That's a true fact except being careless.

I read last night that a single person won two billion dollars

that number is so big it almost sounds like dragon ball z power level...
I have no idea what I would do with that much money. I don't need it.

A million dollars doesn't go far.

That would be enough for me. At least for a long time. The problem is I never win a lottery...Oh wait I don't even play in lotteries...

It is a crazy amount to win - goes to show how many people are entering though. :D

Exactly! "...how do we know?"

I didn't think lotteries still existed. I mean the famous U.S lotteries or know if people still won them. 2 billion dollars! That's a real lot oh and I'd like to test that theory too 😄. It's easy for people to say that about these winners because... Well because all-reasons-you-have-given. You've said it all so well and there's no take I disagree with.
I however, would like to state that if I had only a billion dollars, I would... oh now I sound like the typical human. Haha
No but really, I write down a lot of plans and aspirations, no matter how farfetched or seemingly impossible it may seem and I tend to read those note more than twice in a week, even if passively in order to add more. Bottom line is, I strongly believe I would not be bereft of what to use a whole lot of money to do, especially as it won't be for me alone, so many beneficiaries on my list, even people I haven't met and I don't even have the means. When I do? Hah!
Anyhoo, it's probably a 'life' thing; people who have such huge plans usually have to work for their money and not get it for free.
Not unless it's inherited though.

Bottom line is, I strongly believe I would not be bereft of what to use a whole lot of money to do, especially as it won't be for me alone, so many beneficiaries on my list, even people I haven't met and I don't even have the means. When I do? Hah!

And I think this is why so many people who win end up with less than they started, because that list expands and gets hungrier, eating until there is nothing left, then leaving for greener pastures. Doesn't that concern you?

Doesn't that concern you?

Oh no. I mean it would if I meant it the way you seem to think I did.
By beneficiaries, I don't mean family and friends alone. Or consumables... I mean things and people that would actually add value to my life, and the lives of others. These promise huge returns. Even bigger than the free money. (Not exactly always actual money though, could be fulfillment or happiness).
One small example, assuming I get into being a Venture Capitalist in a start up or an SME, there's a promise of returns yeah?

Naa, I'm not one to forget to fill the well I draw from, I hardly only think about today. It's mostly always tomorrow for me. But not in the sense that I worry about tomorrow and not live today.

I will certainly divide that money into my life plans such as where to live, what business to do, what investment to do, what dreams to realize...

2 billion is a crazy amount and that is essentially endless. However, with a million, care needs to be taken :)

Consider the inflation :)

I do always dream and talked about this with my friends and family on this topic. Hopeful and wishful thinking but well they don't cost anything right? :D With that amount of money, one can definitely do a lot but it also comes with a lot of responsibilities in handling them. At the end of the day, always remind myself to not be a enslave to all these worldly things and just be contented with where life leads me! :)

How much money do you think you would need to be okay for the rest of your life?

Haha that is a very good question! I guess we will never really know the exact amount. What I do know is how I feel at the moment and whether I am contented or not. Of course it is much easier without social media when there is less exposure to compare with people around the world. But yeah, I just enjoy my life right now with love ones and have enough finances to not need to worry about the daily necessities :D

If I got a lottery of a million, I must Invest on hive .🤠😆

A million buys you 3 million Hive :)

Right, now price of hive $.33 approx. Now it will be more.hehe