Much Drama, So Wow

in OCD5 years ago

Everyone loves drama and luckily, the internet encourages and rewards it - not necessarily money - but attention - people like attention too. That is okay, I am people - I like attention also - after all, we are in an attention economy - the economy. The entire economy is driven by attention paid to products, services and whatever else can be traded, which is why marketing is a thing at all.

If advertising didn't work, people wouldn't advertise - and this includes the advertising via virtue signalling, social advertising. You know, the pretty girl in the low cut top that doesn't want to be looked at, and the guy who keeps mentioning his job and car -but is looking for a girl that doesn't care about money. They are doing it for themselves of course - social capital doesn't even come into play.

Perhaps it is that so many people are bored in their lives or feel that they deserve more than they have that they seek for additional value, the attention of others that they might not actually care much for in any other respect - validation through the eyes of strangers.

When I used to go out to bars with my friends (my friends are almost exclusively female) when in our twenties, they would be annoyed if random guys hit on them - if they considered those guys were below their rank. If they were guys they were interested in though - all was well. However, as we got older, this changed and they were far more annoyed if no one approached them, no one offered them a drink. It seemed to me, the attention of the unwanted is better than no attention at all. People like to feel wanted - even if they aren't going to reciprocate the desire.

Online it is no different, people look for attention - on Hive they also look for votes of course - but getting feedback from the audience is a vital part of the retention of creators and those who don't get feedback generally don't last too long. Those that do get significant feedback become retention nodes, meeting points where people come together under a post to interact with each other and split off into new directions, find new people to checkout and open into new connections and friendships.

I remember some time in mid-2017 getting invited through a comment on my post into a Steem.chat server - something that I had never done before - you would recognize many of the people that used to frequent that chat room way back when, as witnesses, whales and a lot of the most active accounts still on the platform. Many have gone their separate ways, many have ended up in public conflicts since - but it was a meeting point - off-chain where people would actually have fun, talk shit, tease each other and of course - talk blockchain. Whale and minnow alike - people were just people hanging out and having a good time, though there was some drama from time to time too - drama aplenty on occasion. still -it was fun and in general, very amicable despite a massive difference in who people were - A melting pot.

One of the great things about Hive is that there are essentially no bounds, no walls on information, there is transparency. There is transparency on content, activity, voting behavior, payouts and all kinds of things. This is great, but it also creates conflicts between people and often gives those who like attention no matter the cost ammunition of various kinds to leverage. That is okay, people like drama - it should be good for the chain - create some conversation and therefore some transactions.

But, it can't all be drama, as it gets tiring as the more there is and the ramping up it takes to get a reaction desensitizes us and eventually, just gets boring. While drama creates points of high interest, it doesn't last long as the next drama comes along to take the attention away - it is kind of like terrorist attacks which might be massive interest new stories - until the next mass shooting comes along.

However, what does keep people coming back and engaged is familiar, fun, relationships, discussion, real-life, help desks - you know, the every day grind that doesn't necessarily require a great deal of thought to interact with or, it offers something of value - something that helps an individual feel or act better for an improved result.

What drives people away is incessant drama and whining. You know that friend that you always go out with who gets sloppy drunk and starts fights? Or that one that you spend all of your spare time with who continuously complains about everything in the world? Yeah - most likely, you don't spend that much time with these kinds of people. Most likely, you at least try to find people who's company you enjoy, who motivate and inspire you, people you actually like.

Do you do the same on Hive? Where do you spend your time?

You know, birds of a feather flock together and all that, but at the same time, people like to watch and participate in the online drama, they like to see some people suffer and put a boot in when they can - or perhaps, defend also - and take the other side of the drama equation. with the potential for financial reward, some people will spend their time with people they don't like, discussing all kinds of stuff they aren't interested in - as there is incentive to do so.

You see many of these kinds of people on the posts of whales - hoping for a vote. But it also happens where people post content that doesn't interest them in order to attract the attention of those same groups, just from a different direction. A lot will aim to create drama, to polarize the audience in some way, as that is what the internet encourages. Some do it for economic gain, some for social gain - some because their ego wants to be fed - and they will feed it through the drama they can create as it makes them feel important.

As I have said before several times over the 3+ years I have been writing on blockchains, Drama is Good - but if there is only drama, eventually the audience will move on and be lost. Some people in the quest to satisfy their own drama quota needs, will drive more users away, despite the attention they might get in the moment - short term validation, long-term cost. But, the view of the attention in the moment is acute, but the loss over time is much harder to identify and attribute to a key cause - people like what they can have now and favor what they can see.

For me, I probably create a bit of drama from time to time when I feel that something is important enough to mention - but if that was the only move I had, it probably wouldn't be sustainable long-term. The reason is, a lot of the drama types others might create, just doesn't interest me and if it doesn't interest me, why would i spend my time caring about it? For votes? - Meh. If people aren't writing about what they actually care about, the authenticity shines through - yeah, people might vote - but is there value for the audience?

Ah, the audience.... The almighty audience, something that I think has the greatest value on the platform. For those who read my stuff regularly, out of the account I have created through the content I deliver, which content do you think helps you the most, which do you engage with the most often and what do you think adds value to your life? While I am not the greatest poet in the world, I am guessing it isn't my poetry.

The content people engage with the most that I deliver is almost without exception, platform related or, platform adjacent. The reason is simple, people are invested into Hive the platform - not any specific form of content itself. Communities and engineered experiences like games, might change this model through SMTs, but all in all, the platform is a unifying factor that affects us all.

I heard a funny comment yesterday about my audience saying that I get a lot of comments from the same people - as if this is a bad thing. Isn't this obviously good? We have built connections and relationships on and off chain and not only that - these people are STILL HERE. 3+ years and still engaging, still commenting, still creating, still voting, still powering up... but of course - I should write for the attention of strangers, rather than those who actually appreciate what I do. BTW, I get a few comments from randoms too - some of them become friends also - some of them are now holding a fair bit of HIVE power too - after making it through a two year bear market.

The funny thing is that people seem to get upset, jealous, angry or whatever because an account has built a following, as if having a group of core audience is negative for the platform, when actually, it is the thing that accounts *should be doing' in order to retain users long-term. Long-term engagement and retention is required for most people to turn from a consumer/contributor into an investor. It took me ten months on the platform in 2017 before I bought my first crypto. Ten. Since then?

But, the drama queens of Steem might have become the drama wives of Hive and therefore, the same conversations and activities are going to keep coming up and while it might be great to discuss from time to time, it isn't what retains users on the platform. It is the community that retains users and the community is represented through posts and comments, engagement, interaction and relationship forming - actions that lead to long term support, of the platform and individual accounts alike.

Not all content is attractive for all consumers, in the same way that many guys who talk about their car and job will get rejected at the bar. Your personal business might be creating drama - but it doesn't mean it will attract the attention of the future you might want. But hey, everyone is free to do as they please, write what they want to write, vote or downvote as they choose. It is your prerogative - and while some will change their minds over time, some will just keep doing what they do out of habit. Some habits lead to better outcomes than others.

Taraz
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An engaging read as always. I love your broad spectrum and analytical mind :)
I even ended up searchif for a drama definition. Drama - any situation or series of events having vivid, emotional, conflicting, or striking interest or results.

It is impossible (or should i add probably to every statement i make, since i am quite far away from deterministic viewpoint of nature) to have a community without differences of views and opinions. Maybe chaos theory may come at play here, where slight deviations in electromagnetic impulses in the brain add up to huge differences in final expressed beliefs, i don't know that :)

But i tend to believe that in any incentive based ecosystem timeline outcome would be similar in all bubbles as long as incentive rules stay exactly the same. Any little deviation however might cause butterfly effect and result in huge behavior changes no matter how small that change is. Let's say removing initial pre-mined supply of steem from the game.

And some habits lead to better outcomes than others in certain time frames. You just either wait for yours to come (it might never do) or try to react and adjust if that's what you want to do. But frustration and anger will never get you attention, rather a rejection.

And still, human mind and interaction has many layers. Bad content from a user with high influence might get much more visibility and attention than great content from a user with little influence. Again, it all depends on the set of rules ecosystem exists in.

Bad content from a user with high influence might get much more visibility and attention than great content from a user with little influence.

Yup, and I don't think this will ever be escaped. A bit like watching the people in charge on the TV, spouting absolute garbage to millions.

I agree. TV has a certain set of incentive rules in ecosystem. First of all it's a business, so cheaper content with the same add sales = more profit to shareholders. Then it's a political tool. More stupid audience will consume crap content better and at the same time will be easier manipulated.

Regarding, steem/hive. Now it is viable to interact with a content of a creator with more influence and expect positive feedback loop (upvote back). Hiding his wallet from UI and making it additional effort to go to BC explorer and see his balance would help quite a bit. I get why it was made easily visible to everybody initially. To promote stacking, increase demand.
It is obvious that guy driving a Ferrari on a street would attract more attention than a guy driving i don't know, Peugeot ( i drive Peugeot so i know for sure lol). And guy saying "Hi bitches" from a Ferrari would still get more positive feedback than a guy yelling "Hi ladies" from a Peugeot (that is also a tested fact as i used to ride a convertible Porshe in the past and was a complete asshole with women).

That's just the way we are hardwired. Want instant behavior change on voting patterns? Hide freaking wallet from the UI for everybody to see. So simple, so yet worth to experiment with. On the other hand, it would definitely result in powering down and dumping some of stake on the market tanking the price. But if you want better quality content and fair reward distribution that could be a simple first step.

Re: Hidden wallets. I was looking for a post I remember from a whale account, but found this one instead.

https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@onyemacourage/why-the-wallet-and-transaction-history-on-steemit-should-be-private

As noted in the comments, it's not just the wallet that would need to be hidden, and with tools like an explorer / steem/hive world, much would have to be done to try to hide the numbers.

I do think engagement patterns would change somewhat, but staking has long been put forward as the way to gain influence and suspect we are unlikely to see any attempts to hide wallet/post values anytime soon.

Thanks for taking your time. As everywhere in our lives, set rules affect the game outcome. I get why it works for staking. totally legit, but on the other hand it affects voting which in turn affects content creation, that affects adoption and then has impact on price action that would affect staking.

Simply put, you can not have rules working one way and then ethics telling to act differently. It might work on some participants but the bias is still set by the rules. I personally believe that better content and bigger adoption would have much greater upwards price action than artificial inflation through staking that i believe is not viable long term. And it's gonna fork and fork and fork until some timeline with will eventually hit the sweet spot and get the adoption.

And i was not suggesting, hiding transaction or stake information totally, just moving it from UI where it would make time inefficient to go look, search ( and most less tech savy users would not even bother) and then vote more on higher stake hodlers.

Also, content discovery based on payouts is totally inefficient, it only means that big stake holders opinion is always right and they tell what good content is which would sound ok, but does not work because of financial incentive mechanics present.

I am still running a small boostrap photography community and kind of encountered the same problem, where guys with more time and followers on the platform, would gain the momentum and their content would be more popular because of that initial boost since people tend to get social acceptance and like content that has been liked many times before (call it mass endorsement if you like). What we did, we simply hid number of likes before other users voted so his/her decision is not influenced by how many users already liked the image and it had a huge improvement on overall quality of content showing on popular or trending pages.

And i am not against what steem was or hive is or what the next fork will be until the best solution has been found. I just want to say that voting patterns are still currently not about the quality of the content but the size of the stake.

And it is very easily to prove. Just power down any mediocre content account from 50k to 200 k and you will see what drastic change of engagement it will be.

There are some exceptions however where excellent content is produced by accounts with high stakes. But they are exception from the rule that is prevailing today and usually used as an example in the argument :)

The bottom line is what you want: to positively influence upwards price action through demand in short term or better overall content quality and engagement through bigger adoption.

Preaching ethics will only go so far. System rules set the outcome of the game.

Let's say removing initial pre-mined supply of steem from the game.

This might make a significant change, as long as it doesn't then get used by a few as a massive piggybank :D

But frustration and anger will never get you attention, rather a rejection.

It will, but it will be short-lived and will require a constant stream of new audience members - who will eventually move on.

Yeah... i meant healthy attention based on interest. Anger based attention just raises awareness which is not exactly the same as attention i guess? But yeah, English is not my native so i might have tangled in delicacies of the language :)

Nah, I understood, what you meant. I guess "attention is attention" but the outcomes of getting it might differ greatly. :)

Oh i totally agree with that :)

A lot of comments from the same people!?! How dare you build a following!

Engage! Engage! - but don't make friends.... :D

@meesterboom was telling me a tale about steem chat only a couple of nights ago. I do remember it.. just, it seemed to me like the place where you put your posts so that people would up-vote them, but in fact was nothing of the sort and they all got ignored.

Lol. Actually there read a room specifically for post promotion and in the early days it actually worked. That was in the smaller community days. The main chat was certainly a good place to go to shoot the shit.

I remember that room, that was the start for me. Add your post and get rich, hahaha!!!

Asks look where we are now! :0D

it seemed to me like the place where you put your posts so that people would up-vote them

The Kingscrown approach ;D

It was a fun place to hang out, once upon a time. Bare bones - like the people who used it :)

I don't have to really do hard work in searching up for your content.
It just pops up on trending. I don't usually comment much, just a habit, now trying to break it down.
I believe content creators should look into your content, and feel motivated on how quality drives attention and interaction. Honestly, I am one of them to get motivated to create content and explore the opportunity, and I am super glad that I interacting and sharing it here. I joined the tweet journey as well (thank you for the reply there in tweet :D ) I believe that's what hive is all about, building up a community.
Thank you. :)

I don't usually comment much, just a habit, now trying to break it down.

Commenting is pretty much the only way to get to know people, make friends - create strong communities - I value it a lot :)

I joined the tweet journey as well (thank you for the reply there in tweet :D )

You are welcome. I have been off Mainstream Social for a long time, but I am slowly warming back into Twitter.

I believe that's what hive is all about, building up a community.

There are many views on how this is done. The great thing is about a decentralized community is that they can all run concurrently :)

I loved the way you took your time to break down the comment and replied to me.
Very much appreciated.
Like as always, will be around your content.
Thank you.

"where people post content that doesn't interest them in order to attract the attention of those same groups, just from a different direction".

that was true in my case. I eventually started writing what I love.

The thing with writing what you love is, it might not get the atention of the masses, but it can get the attention of those that care - and if not - you got to spend some time writing what you love. Win/win.

I understood that fact very lately. Now I'm more than happy to write.

Good, enjoy it. I read your post (linked from Twitter) and I think that you might end up having some fun exploring your head a bit :) Enjoy the journey!

Thanks brother. hope you have great day

I'm one of those people that follow people because I like the content, or have liked the content in the past. My votes are to show I continue to enjoy the content, a lot of time I will comment on the post also, (lately I've been slowing on comments).

I never understood back on steem the thought that I should have to vote on crap I don't like. The desire of some to force my vote to go elsewhere, or to penalize me for voting on the content I like. I hope that thought process does not come over to hive.

Out of curiosity, why are you commenting less in general?

I hope that thought process does not come over to hive.

Until there is a different culture, it is essentially the same people doing what they normally do. With development in applications, this will change over time.

I got hooked on a TV Series, been watching a lot of True Blood, in the evenings. and I guess a little bit burn out. While doing some of the peakd function testing, the making of the post take me time, but the checking everything out last week took a whole lot longer.

I remember that chat. Fun times but drama aplenty too,which also contributed to the fun it was.

Yep - plenty of drama fun in there too - but heaps and heaps of good, wholesome unwholesome internet fun too :D

It was the archetype internet chat room slash community so to say. Everyone cared, but occasionally some needed an outlet too.

If not for that chat room I may long have left Steem, I think.

If not for that chat room I may long have left Steem, I think.

Funny thing is, some of the consensus witnesses now, got their start in there too - and plenty of other accounts

While typing my previous reply I was actually wondering if some of the ongoing feuds may have found their root there too.

But I can't remember any that lasted.

But I can't remember any that lasted.

Me either - they were more come and go - much like family :)

I agree with you that no one would not want attention.

The attention of the unwanted is better than no attention at all.

That is all true. Most times when ladies are in their prime age with blossom appearance, they seem to attract guys more, but when it comes to a certain period, it subsides.
When the quality of something degrades, it becomes less attractive.

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The moment you decide to be yourself is the beginning of beauty. So the truth is your value will not decrease because someone refuses to see your worth.

So the truth is your value will not decrease because someone refuses to see your worth.

As long as you value yourself.

Though, some people should perhaps "consider" the opinions of others, it doesn't mean they need to be onboarded as a definition. It is good to have fresh eyes.

Absolutely.

Though, some people should perhaps "consider" the opinions of others

Only a narcissist would want to take all credit. People must learn to respect the opinion of others even if they don't agree with them.

Plenty of narcissists in the world, perhaps it is a growing group considering the isolation that the internet provides and the feedback that disconnects from community?

Things will be unveiled through persistent interaction. That's the only way we can get to know people's minds.

Steem Chat needs a transformation, a rebirth for the new horizons. Hive.live or something catchy like that. It's true, I've never seen the amount of drama waver, people deliver urgency as if it were needs, and wonder why the goals aren't met. I'm still shifting from my charlatan ways, but I've never been one to seek conflict. I've got to shake @oblomoffjr of this nasty habit, the ubiquitous complaint. @subterranean has cold feet about changing platforms to share with when he doesn't even share much on the sham that is Instagram. Rather, I'm deflecting that I need to focus on my part to really show my friends the way. A lot to ponder, which is why time after time, your work I find.

The drama is great in some respects as it shows that some people have passion, but when people are constantly drama-drivers no matter the topic, it speaks of a personality trait - and has very low value in my opinion.

@crimsonclad - hive.live? :)

new name is already on the horizon. All of those who work on the tech aspects of Steem.chat are currently hella caught up in some of the stuff that still needs doing for the Hive blockchain as a whole, but it hasn't been forgotten about. We have no intention to stop paying for it or providing it, and yes, it will be getting a nice makeover at some point :D

Last time I checked... the Drama Token isn't available yet in hive-engine ...

It probably won't be, since the founder doesn't seem keen on Hive.

I write comment now.
We upvote each other.
Circle jerk bad.

Circle jerk bad.

Must have corners.

I think it is very accurate what you say about the important role that attention plays in the economy, that is very true, but I think there are also other variables that we could take into account, and that is that although many people seek attention, there are people who do not need it, or somehow avoid it, as introverted people, for example, but the fact that someone does not seek or need attention, does not mean that what they have to provide is not valuable. ... and that kind of individuals have to be taken into account as well, not everybody wants to comment and interact, but that does not mean that they do not have something good to contribute... I think that in the world there is a place for everyone, some of us find it easier to work with ourselves, with objects or things, than with other people, and to seek attention or to give attention to others we are not good at it.

as introverted people, for example,

I think they attention-seek too, just in different ways. Having a personality that isn't actively socializing, doesn't mean they don't want the attention. Introverts still want to feel attractive - want others to think them attractive, don't they ?

I think introverts don't necessarily want to feel attractive, they probably feel better about being attractive to others, but it's not something they intentionally seek, In my case, for example, I'm an extrovert and also an assertive type of person, but i'm very low in aggreableness and compasion, and that makes me less extroverted than other extroverts who have high levels of such traits, and one thing I've noticed, is that even though it feels good to have other people's attention, it's not something I look for specifically, for me, it feels like an addition when I do things right, and when I don't have attention, I don't care. And I think that for certain types of individuals with more or less introverted personalities the same thing happens.

Speaking of attention, what the heck is that watermark-like symbol in the bottom of your image?? It's driving me nuts.

A watermark. It is cropped though, so it is cut in half.

Ahh, I thought all pics were yours so that was where my brain was getting twisted. Let's see links!! ha

They are all mine - It is my watermark.