"But you said three years!"
Yesterday, New Zealand raised the interest rate in the country by 0.25 percent and the interesting thing is that while I read that article less than 12 hours ago, it seems to have been buried or removed from the Australian site I saw it on. It mentioned how the Reserve bank of Australia said "no interest rate rises for three years" at the start of 2021, which they are obviously going to go back on. Not only that, they have already started stricter loan fitness testing, so it is getting harder to qualify for loans, which means compared to the average house loan today of 580,000 dollars, people will qualify for about 540K instead. Considering the inflated housing prices, this makes it even harder for lower income people to get into a house.
But don't worry!
In Victoria, the government are introducing a plan to help you out - by taking a stake in your home. What they are offering is provide up to 25% of the purchase price of the house, so that the buyer only needs to provide 5% of the purchase price.
Buyers can choose to pay back the state, or when selling the property the government will have it equity returned to it.
Hmm. While the details in the article are lacking, rather than bring housing prices down, this will push them up further as people will qualify for even more debt and, I suspect that "when selling" the property, the state will have its entire capital outlay (which is taxpayer money) returned to it. What this means is that even if housing prices drop 75% at sale, the state is still protected and will get its money back, while the seller will lose the deposit and still have an almost full house loan obligation.
"Deal!"
With the expected and likely knock-on effects of the Evergrande debacle in China, we are probably going to see another 2008-esque event, where the global financial institutions and large players will take their profits and then dump onto the markets, sending the global economy into a tailspin. Don't worry about this though, because when it gets low enough, they will buy back in cheap from all the people who had to sell to cover their debts and the cycle can start again. Just like always.
I think that the Evergrande issue is a good example of why centralization will always end up in collapse and massive correction, as when core decisions are made, they incentivize a narrow band of market behavior. For example, it is possible to keep building properties, even though there is reportedly 90 million empty apartments. This is not a new problem either, as back in 2011, it was reported that there was 64 million empty apartment - yet, *let's build some more, because it is good for the economy to keep building, even though there is no demand for what we build!
Centralization will always make these kinds of decisions and even if there is the dream some have of a "benevolent dictator" that works in the best interest of the people, there is just not enough knowledge and flexibility to build one-size-fits-all rules to cater for them. Factor in that most decision makers will skew their decisions to favor their own self interests, and results get increasingly worse.
While people like convenience and simplicity of centralization, it always comes with the inevitability of crash and when it crashes, it crashes hard across the board, as nearly everything is aligned with the common incentive and these days, they are borderless and connected globally. A crash in one location causes failure everywhere. In this way, while decentralization is far messier and harder to build alignment, the many paths, incentives and nodes spreads risk in a more organic way, similar to the way nature uses biodiversity to protect itself from cataclysmic failure.
It is going to be interesting as while the central points are fighting over left and right, right and wrong - the real battle that is emerging is going to be between centralized and decentralized structures of business and economy, and I think that we will get to a point that will make it abundantly clear, which is going to survive.
The stake the government is using is our stake - not theirs.
Why not cut out the middleman?
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Oh heck no. With the threat of eminent domain being very real, there is no way I would voluntarily allow the government to have even more of a foothold on the property that I own. This is crazy. If my wife and I ever move again we should likely be in a much better place than the first time we bought a house.
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Even though I don't know what your first place was like - I hope so!
Yeah, I also anticipate a 2008 event any time now. Banks and the big boys want to make money and secure ownership for them. Events like these help immensely in the money grabs by the elites and propel agenda 21 where you will own nothing and be happy. Sad that evil finds it necessary to exist and good people do little to stop it.
THey will use it as an excuse, to cover their pillaging, in much the same way Covid has been for the last two years.
A few years ago I happened to read an article where it talked about entire ghost towns, built during the economic growth, but uninhabited today. Incredible.
I saw a video of them demolishing thousands of apartments the other day, near finished in 2014 or something, never completed ... Why build more after that?
There are limitations on the 25% involvement from Vic Gov and it is for basic homes nothing fancy. There is a limit of only 3000 spots not a large enough stake in the tens of thousands of homes each year. It is similar to what the UK has.
The issue is housing as a commodity and investment, shouldn't be allowed then housing would not spiral out of control. We also have negative gearing at a level many nations do not have.
You get paid to take a loss on housing.
Yeah, interest rates are going to suck. They're coming.
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166k for each, so about a 650k home. What does that get in Melbourne these days?
I suspect that these things are going to end up creating some issues down the track, like all of these things have in the past.
If housing wasn't able to be an investment, what would happen overall you think?
If housing wasn't able to be an investment, what would happen overall you think?
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There are a few more things contributing to housing price increases as people want more amenities, more paths, more "certain styles" and "neighbourhood feel" all this adds costs unfortunately.
Some areas in Melbourne consist of 10% of the homes as investment some as high as 15% there's a break down somewhere but it's actually quite a large cohort. If investment wasn't allowed than gov would need to pick up the slack which they are in Vic to put downward pressure.
But depending on COVID, housing might go south really fast in some areas with high mortgage stress.
Lol yeah in the crypto.
I see a collapse coming. Finland hasn't seen the same kind of insanity, partly because it didn't drive the same kind of insanity "dealing with" Covid. But, global crashes affect everyone, except seemingly, those who caused them.
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They also don't have a extremely lucrative negative gearing scheme that enables significant losses to be covered by the tax payer. It is an odd set up and if removed in Australia would cause much of the housing sector to collapse.
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.So instead of traditional debt, they are offering a way to lose almost everything if you sell in a bad market? Combined with Covid, this promises to make plenty of people miserable.
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Yep. I agree, misery is on the way. Once the interest rates rise past people's very low fitness level, the blame game will start.
Maybe they should just open up those empty apartments super cheap... And skip the misery.
Interest rates will continue to increase all over the world in coming years due to the increase at commodity and oil prices and printing money during the pandemic.
Consrruction sector is the savior of the goverments in such a economic conditions in the world. Because the sector is related to more than 150 other sectors.
The problem is, the construction has been used in the "good times" and now, it won't be available in the bad.
Almost everybody likes taking out those 2nd mortgages on homes when the market's going up and then they go buy multiple other properties. I've seen it work well for some and end horribly for others. Wish people would be honest and call it what it is - gambling.
Yep. People are very bold with very large amounts of money... But can't put pennies into crypto. Funny.
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Here in UK was something similar, with 5% your deposit and 20% state owned, but it was tricky, as 5 years the interest was zero, and after that, if you did not pay it, they will charge you interest first and principal second, so basically they will get your hard work money. Quite misleading advertising also.
What I also find interesting is that they make it seem like it is the government doing a favor for the people, when it is using the value of the people to do so. Essentially, rather than fixing the issues, they are throwing the money of the people with the issues back at them, and then taking a cut.
Excellent article, this is news to me about "government stake" in housing costs!
I expect we will see it eventually in USA too.
Likely everywhere.
"we will take stake in your house - with your money"
Taxation is "legalized theft" indeed
I remember you from pretty far back, should have followed you then
Seriously? What happens if you foreclose? What happens if the housing market crashes and you sell? The government already owns enough of me. Honest to God, it makes me want to see this house I live in, with no debt, bailout while the prices are high, move into the second home over on the Shore and wait for the crash. You know it is coming. Then let the dust settle and build or buy a new house for a fraction of the cost. It's a great plan, but, it makes me feel slightly criminal.
This is going to come and get us too, I suspect.
I think you have your priorities in order - I think a lot of other people are making the biggest purchase of their life, without realizing it is going to cost them everything else.
Increasing interest rate is unavoidable for the country economy growth but 0.25 % look little too much as this current time period where most of the people around the Australia still not finanicially well to bear this rate.Never ever trust government wordings as they are politician and always control the population on false promises. Hope one day crypto will kick them out of mainstream of economy and make the people have freedom to take their own decesion for their financial problem.
it is a sign of things to come. They are slowly increasing the interest rate and also increasing the fitness rate for testing, meaning few people will be able to get a loan and that loan will be less. This means that the housing prices will fall, but with the increasing interest rates, more will be forced to sell - setting up for a collapse.
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