Just as you aren't responsible for Trump or the Senate's actions, I can't be held responsible for any politician or (fickle) "ally" that you don't like (nor should entire groups be smeared by the actions of a small number of individuals UNLESS they hold high positions in that group). I can only be held responsible for the consistency of my beliefs and my actions.
I feel VERY free to slam the Senate when the rules change based upon circumstance but you can't do anything about that -- unless you express your approval (which I feel is an endorsement for lacking integrity and I will criticize you for). I feel VERY free to slam Trump when he constantly, if nothing else, makes claims that are highly improbable at best -- but don't criticize you unless you criticize Biden for doing with far greater justification what Trump has done far more egregiously without mentioning that fact -- that is a rhetorical game, not honest debate.
I feel free to point out inconsistencies and lack of INTERNAL integrity of the arguments and actions of others -- and expect that others should hold me accountable in exactly the same way. This is why I criticize people who show every sign of believing that the vote results were indicative of the will of a state -- yet call for it to be overturned regardless of this fact. The fact that something CAN be done does not mean that it should be supported just because it fits your immediate desires. I will repeat that I find such shenanigans and lack of integrity between belief and action despicable, reprehensible, disgusting and sickening (and note that you continue to avoid denying that this is exactly what you are doing).
Again, that has zero to do with your political views except their consistency and the integrity of your actions (counting discourse as an action) with what you believe to be the truth (that eliminating the fraud would not flip the results).
You have said you genuinely wanted to understand the other side.
You talk a lot about integrity and morality, but it not clear what moral code you are referring to - there are many.
The US Founding Fathers were religious Christians and founded the United States on Judeo-Christian morality.
Religiously observant Christians and Jews, who practice Judeo-Christian morality, voted overwhelmingly for Trump (Orthodox Jews by 80%).
They did this because the Democratic party has become strongly influenced by its extreme left elements including Antifa, BLM and The Squad who are constantly attacking traditional Judeo-Christian morals and practices.
The massive erosion of traditional Judeo-Christian values and practices by "progressive" values and practices over the past 60 years is extremely concerning to them and Obama and Biden have openly supported more and more attacks.
So when you use these words like morality, integrity, established norms and wishes of the Founders, you are assigning meanings to these words that are NOT what Trump voters mean by them.
You are entitled to your own morality and values but the "progressive" morality and values that you espouse are NOT the values and morality on which the USA was founded, nor those of most Trump supporters.
If you want to understand the other side start with the basic understanding that their morals and values may be fundamentally different from yours.
@ironshield @bearbear613 @smithlabs may wish to comment on this.
In the situation that this country faces at this moment, the one thing we ALL should be looking for is intellectual honesty.
When allegations of Russian Collusion were made, there were almost FOUR YEARS of investigation and after the investigation didn't find anything of substance, and Trump was acquitted, many did NOT have the intellectual honesty to admit there was nothing there and continued believing Trump was "in the pocket of Putin".
Now allegations are made of massive voter fraud, it's been ONE WEEK of investigation so far and already incredible amounts of evidence is showing up, enough to recognize what actually happened. Yet many do NOT have the intellectual honesty to even allow the suggestion that a massive crime has occurred across multiple states and they believe that the results of the election are in.
Intellectual honesty is supposed to be the one value that all Americans have in common, no matter what their political affiliation is.
no reason to comment you said everything I would have said
The meaning of the word "INTEGRITY" is clear. Trying to overturn an election where you believe that the results were correct lacks all integrity.
If Trump voters don't recognize that as integrity . . . .
Does YOUR morality agree with Trump's treatment of immigrants on the Southern border? I'm not asking if he can legally get away with it. Do YOU feel that separating children from parents, performing hysterectomies on unsuspecting women, etc. is EVER justified.
Your entire argument is strawmen.
If the meaning of the word "integrity" becomes "holding true to your beliefs", then "integrity" becomes subjective and has no relation to the external truth anymore. At that point, the very word "integrity" looses it's integrity.
Yes, according to "their truth" Biden won the election. But what if there is evidence that they are wrong? Does their belief make them correct?
If there was no evidence of fraud, then intellectual honesty on both sides would cause them both to accept the outcome, like in 2008 and in 2012. As it stands, claiming and celebrating a victory, while 47 electoral votes are still undetermined, lacks integrity and it is nothing more than play-acting with no substance behind it.
If the tables were turned, do you think the left would be OK with Trump shooting off fireworks in a contested election?
Who said I believed the results are correct? There are no certified results.
I believe Trump won the majority of legal votes in all disputed States.
Talk about straw man arguments. You put words in my mouth. Is this integrity?