The other day someone accused me during a debate of gaslighting and shortly after, another person did as well. And then I thought, but seriously...
Thou art that!
But understand, we have to define first what "gaslighting" really is
So let me get it out of the way. Im gaslighting you right this very moment.
Lets not allow the word manipulate trigger emotion with this definition, because that is the surest way that we too often lose true objective meanings of things. To manipulate is merely to handle, control or influence, and we do this all the time. Its not a bad thing or a good thing. It depends on the intention and outcome.
From the definition of gaslight, I deduce that one can gaslight someone into sanity. I mean isnt that often the job of posychologists?
However, just googling images of "gaslighting", this is what I found.....
Notice anything in particular?
Its victim porn!
It seems all of those people pushed into questioning their sanity, were all sane , and so they were victims manipulated by some asshole. Im seeing these articles like mad, and all it really tells me is that we are increasingly falling into a victim culture.
Remember, Im looking at this objectively. The definition makes no emotional distinction. The emotion comes from those pushed to question their own sanity, which isnt pleasant for anyone, and that is where the negative view comes from.
So here is the big question, world, are you sane?
Again, questioning our own sanity is very uncomfortable isnt it? But there are no shortage of brilliant minds throughout all ages who have been strong enough not only to reflect on this, but also have the courage to tell it like it is.
"Insanity - a perfectly rational adjustment to an insane world."
~ R. D. Laing
"I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people."
~ Isaac Newton
"The way it is now, the asylums can hold the sane people, but if we tried to shut up the insane we should run out of building materials."
~ Mark Twain
'But I don't want to go among mad people,' said Alice. 'Oh, you can't help that,' said the cat. 'We're all mad here.'
~ Lewis Carroll
“That millions of people share the same forms of mental pathology does not make these people sane.”
~ Erich Fromm
"The more we retreat from the culture at large the more room we will have to carve out lives of meaning, the more we will be able to wall off the flood of illusions disseminated by mass culture and the more we will retain sanity in an insane world."
~ Chris Hedges
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
~ Jiddu Krishnamurti
“It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.”
~ Philip K. Dick
And last, but certainly not least...
“The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. "Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does." They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.”
~ Aldous Huxley
I dont think we can argue against it, world, you are insane. Im not well adjusted to you, and never will be. If the world is this insane, I can deduce that most of the people are as well. And so I will, every fucking chance I get, if the setting is right, gaslight the shit out of someone in need of it.
It wont feel good, but most things that are good for us never do. The pill may taste like shit, but the best of us, if we truly want to change, will swallow it.
So the next time someone shares another victim article, or talks about how their ex was gaslighting them, remember that the person may be a victim, but also, its very likely that they just didnt enjoy seeing their reflection. Yes, they did experience gaslighting, but the question of their sanity still remains.
With love,
Doc
This is fitting for this thread! Crazy by Gnarls Barkley
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w
Well, I knew what Gaslighting was, mostly from the various film versions of Gaslight (though primarily the Charles Boyer/Ingrid Bergman one. But I don't really understand the context of these people's comments to you here. AFAIK it's about secretly planting clues and implications that slowly start to make the other person unsure of their own sanity. I get your point that in a society that has been brainwashed in many ways by the powers that be and which spends billions of dollars trying to get people to believe in illusions instead of reality that something that gets them to question reality and their own perceptions of the world can only be a good thing. I'm not sure I'd use the word 'gaslighting' for that though. I think it's because I've had negative associations with the word for so many years that I wouldn't want to use it to describe a process that is actually healthy and beneficial, i.e., questioning what's behind the institutions of power that rule this globe.
I love those quotations, especially Chris Hedges (which I hadn't heard before) and Krishnamurti (which I had.) I am going to save these.
This post is kind of gaslighting..
As I stated in it. Genius isnt it?
Very meta
Perhaps a little anti-fragile therapy could be the order of the day:)
This is an interesting post. In fact, I think it irritates people how much I question and analyze my own thinking processes. To me, I think it's slightly crazy not to step back and think about why you're responding to a particular situation in a particular way. Our cultural conditioning runs deep and I think it's safe to say that our first response to an event, more often than not, is the programmed one -- at least until your thinking fully transcends that conditioning. At that point, everything you do appears as either insanity, genius, miracle-working, or sorcery from the perspective of the matrix.
It's good to question one's sanity once in a while. The Krishnamurti quote is a good one here. How do we know if we are just people well adjusted to living in a very sick world if we do not step outside of ourselves and honestly reevaluate our attitudes and cultural programming? Self examination is a good thing. And if a honest guide can help in that self examination...so much the better.
Thanks for the introduction to Gaslighting. I'd never heard that term before. :-)
Anyone who can quote Krishnamurti, Newton and Dick in the same article needs an upvote and resteem :)
"And so I will, every fucking chance I get, if the setting is right, gaslight the shit out of someone in need of it." This is a great line. Insanity is a result of being asleep and we are all asleep for the most part and do not want to be awakened. However, if we awaken even for a moment, what is our responsibility for those around us? Should we share an agreement that we should awaken each other and by what means? If so, we would need ways to wake each other up and as you say, a method of shock such as gas lighting could be used when the time is right. I would also argue that there are other methods including paying deeper attention without reaction, displaying beauty and simply being silent if the expectation is to build on the indulgence (instead of seeing) the archetype of martyrdom or its younger cousin - victimhood.
in this moment i believe that sanity is just a word to push an individual for a functioning society. the experience of life is personal. sickness and health are merely a norm set by the majority. being sane is being confomed. being you is maybe sane maybe insane but it should't matter to you. rules are just to be functional. being you is what you are here for. respect the rules, but don't forget who/what you are.
your action of the past are not a statement of the present... you chage. and if somebody is manipulating that past - gaslighting - that is just a memory game. if your intentions in the present are conscious no past can distort them - becouse you distort the past from the present in every moment (and that is what someone who is trying to gaslight you doing) and if you succeed to distort/question the past you can distort/question the present. basic nlp. gaslighting is just a test of awareness. annoying but a good tool.
enjoying a sane dose of insanity :)
This is a great analysis. I will be thinking about this term very differently from now on. Thanks!