Waiting for Robot

in Reflections23 hours ago

Back sometime about a million years ago, I read "Waiting for Godot", a book which explored the futility and absurdity of life and the cyclical nature of looking for meaning with no resolution. Godot likely represents god or meaning, where the two main characters are sitting, whiling away their time, talking about life, waiting for someone who will never appear. They are told by a small boy that Godot will be there tomorrow, so they say they will leave, but keep waiting.

The futility of life.


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It came to mind today as I was thinking about all the people who think that AI and automation is going to make their lives significantly better, because it could be used to do so. They think it will do all the mundane and difficult tasks they don't want to do, so they will have time to do the fun tasks they do want to do. As if those who employ the robots to do the crappy tasks, won't use them to do all they are capable of, including the things that a human would want to do.

When it comes to meaning, I feel that while we have been searching for a while now, we are mostly heading down the wrong path. Instead of finding things that are meaningful to do, we are looking for ways to make our lives more convenient instead. Sure, getting rid of a few menial tasks to free up time is a good thing, but the fact is that in order to do the really cool stuff in life, we learn from doing menial tasks. We need foundation before we can build upward. Yet we are trying to take shortcuts to the finishing line.

And I think that part of the problem is that we see things on a type of event timeline, where I do this, and then that, which allows me to then do the next thing on the road. And perhaps it is practical to look at it that way for many reasons, but the more I investigate it, the more I think that "meaning" has to always be there for a good life. People talk about "living in the moment" but without meaning, what kind of moment is it?

While we seem to have always had the questions, I think that the coming phase of humanity is going to raise actual existential crises within us. In the past, no matter what we thought, there was always something necessary to do. But in the future, there will be less and less that has to be done, or will be possible to be done, ow anyone will want to be done, by us humans.

Then what?

It might come as a surprise to some, but the largest changes in our life do not happen when we are young. Instead, it is when we retire that our life gets upended the most, even when we are otherwise monetarily secure. Because we go from one day having some daily purpose provided to us, even if we don't love our job, to being self-determined and able to do as we please, within our means. The trouble is, *we generally don't know what to do with ourselves, and a lot of retirees struggle to find a new place in life, a new meaning outside of being a worker, something they identified with for decades.

Except soon and already starting now, people are struggling with what to do with themselves, even if they have never had a job. In Finland, a large portion of disability pension recipients are under thirties who have never held a job. Their disability is depression. And I think that while even people with work, things to do, purpose and meaning can become depressed, I believe that it is far more likely when life is devoid of the structure of some kind of work. And even though many try to trick themselves into categorising some random entertainment focus as their meaningful activity, because it rarely satisfies the human desire to add actual value, the deception doesn't work and depression takes hold.

Many seem to be waiting for automation to save them time, money and effort, without realising that while technology advances, human nature remains much the same. We need more than what a life of robots offers us by taking away the work tasks, and if we do not find real meaning and purpose in our daily lives, we are going to struggle. And while you think as an individual you will be okay because you have your ducks in a row already, the problem is that most people do not and will not, and many will breakdown. We see evidence for this already, with homelessness, drug addiction, and street violence driven by poverty, prejudice and mental health issues, but it is just the tip of the approaching iceberg.

We keep waiting and waiting for things to improve.

Maybe tomorrow.

Taraz
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Good things come to those who wait.

I think that's a blatant lie. Being proactive beats waiting for some miracle, except when there's nothing you can do in the present to better your situation and so you wait for the situation to maybe get better themselves.

But I believe we humans always have some power, not to change completely, but to better our situation. But this is not always a convenient path, so majority choose to lighten the burden of their troubles through endless entertainment instead of confronting it.

Most people today wait for the government of their nation to get better. But I believe there's always something we can do to improve our situations, whether personally or societally. We have to find our what we need to do and discipline ourselves enough to actually do them.

If anyone is looking for the secret to success that's it: Find out what you need to do to better your life (most people already know what they need to do), and discipline yourself enough to do it.

In five years your life wouldn't be the same. There's little need chasing cheap motivation online and elsewhere. Just get doing. At the beginning it will be hard but when your discipline begins to pay off you'll forget all the difficulties you endured.

I think that's a blatant lie.

Me too. Be prepared at the very least - and that takes being active to get prepared.

Find out what you need to do to better your life (most people already know what they need to do), and discipline yourself enough to do it.

And if you don't have discipline, start learning how to have it first.

All life needs purpose. Even as MS has caused issues and kept me from doing tasks and enjoying life in ways that I used to it has become necessary for me to find different activities to give myself reasons to not just sit here waiting for Godot! That would definitely lead to a depressing life!

I wonder how many people find more meaning after getting a severe illness. You don't have to answer of course, but has it changed your outlook on life after the diagnosis?

I made a conscious decision as a teenager to never say no to opportunities that came my way, and mosy I lived by that, so I went into the diagnosis with that attitude and began filling my days with all the things I knew might be difficult for me later. I planted 150 daffodil bulbs outside my front door and with my mobility scooter in the back of the car traveled to most of the places in the country that I wanted to see. After my partner died I joined Steem so that I could still have access to the outside world and Ecency has filled that desire for me right from the start. I could not use both hands to type on a keyboard, but using the app on my phone opened up a whole new world for me to explore! MS helped me to change focus and enjoy life differently

I made a conscious decision as a teenager to never say no to opportunities that came my way, and mosy I lived by that,

This is something I wish I had done. I feel I missed a lot out of unfounded fear, where I said no for no good reason.

I could not use both hands to type on a keyboard, but using the app on my phone opened up a whole new world for me to explore!

That is awesome! I am so glad.

a lot of retirees struggle to find a new place in life, a new meaning outside of being a worker,

Man, do I feel this. This has to be one of my biggest struggles. Little chores around the house just don't scratch the itch. I've had to start school again and business (which is on hold for now) just to keep me occupied. I would like to volunteer more, but can't drive. Don't want to continuously burden others either. I have a few hobbies, but those can get expensive. Yes, retirement is a struggle mentally sometimes. Especially when you have been retired before you wanted to.

It must suck at times. I am guessing that after your time in the forces where you are surrounded by people who understand the situation, it can be hard outside. Is that the case?

I know it sucks for me to not be working anywhere near as much as I would like and then yeah, the costs are piling up. At this rate, I will never make it to a retirement of any kind.

So after my time in the forces, I worked until being medically retired about 3 or so years ago. Yes, for the most part when I did fully retire, I had my wife and son. MY brother and a cousin was very supportive and understood as well. Most of my challenges aren't alway apparant. So most people don't understand until they see me pass out or on a bad day.

It took some adjusting for us financially as well. Luckily I had a good nest egg saved up, paid off a lot of our credit bills when I went into retirement. I feel for anyone wanting to try and retire in today's economy or even save for retirement. Will keep you in my thoughts friend. Keep your head up. Keep those positive vibes going. It will happen. You have the chops to make it happen.

Most of my challenges aren't alway apparant. So most people don't understand until they see me pass out or on a bad day.

You have such a heavy response? I didn't realise it was so bad. That sucks.

I feel for anyone wanting to try and retire in today's economy or even save for retirement.

As I have told everyone, my retirement plan is a tall tree and a short bit of rope these days. Only half in jest.

You have such a heavy response? I didn't realise it was so bad. That sucks.

Sorry, shared a little too much info. Not so bad, I have learned to live around it for the most part. Peoples lives can suck a LOT worse.

As far as your retirement plan. I call BS. You need to be planning for babes on beaches. Or at a minimum, chillin at home behind a screen writing and chasing grandies.

They think it will do all the mundane and difficult tasks they don't want to do, so they will have time to do the fun tasks they do want to do

I remember seeing a meme about how AI was supposed to do the dishes and laundry so the person could do their art and write their stories not the AI do their art and write their stories so they could do their dishes and laundry XD

I kind of want one of those little robot vacuum cleaners but I'm not sure how it would cope with the ledges and getting harrassed by the dog and probably one cat (the other one would probably hide and never come out again). And may also have to wait for an open source one after reading about how someone accidentally managed to potentially commandeer a countrywide fleet of robot vacuums because they wanted to control their own one with their phone XD

I kind of want one of those little robot vacuum cleaners

Me too, but I would have to manually move it around from room to room due to differences in floors and two levels - waste of time. :D

That is awesome about the taking control. Soon it will be war robots that get hacked.

I would have to manually move it around from room to room

I guess you'd have to work out if the minutes spent moving it and checking on it are worth the minutes saved by letting it do the vacuuming instead of you having to do it XD

I hope the war robots have slightly better security but yeh I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet (or maybe it has and it's just not publicised because reasons).

I will have to dress Puusti up as a robot and chase him from room to room.

(or maybe it has and it's just not publicised because reasons).

There are rooms full of people attacking drones from keyboards I assume. Between watching porn and cat videos.

Yeah, I think often why do we need AI to do everything? Shouldn't we find joy in the mundane as well? If we have no time, it's a problem with the jobs we have rather than finding ways to get automatons to make more time so we can fill it with more things. I think it's part of life to have an existential crisis at some point - and there's nothing wrong with that. Why do I exist? What is my meaning? Purpose? What legacy am I leaving? - and if AI takes on everything, where does it leave us? What do we do? Is it worth creating, inventing, innovating? Personally i think we don't even understand where this is all going - it's too much for us to conceive, going too fast for us to even conceptualise where we're going to be at in 20 years time. But then, we might just all be blown to smithereens...

Yeah, I think often why do we need AI to do everything?

So there is more time to sit and watch silly streaming shows on netflix.

Personally i think we don't even understand where this is all going - it's too much for us to conceive, going too fast for us to even conceptualise where we're going to be at in 20 years time. But then, we might just all be blown to smithereens...

I think this too and that perhaps it is better if we are all blown to smithereens.

Hey I'd rather not. I like my life .. a lot. Maybe just everyone but the people I like .... 😜

I think the meaning of life for me is to improve life of those around me and prepare our children for the future. And enjoy life while I can, there is not that much time left probably 20 years plus minus a few...

And AI is just another technological change that we have to adjust to or go the way of horse buggy 😀

AI isn't going anywhere, but the way we use and will us it is ridiculous.

Meanwhile in Seattle Amazon is cutting office space to have funds to invest in AI:

As Amazon looks to invest billions of dollars into artificial intelligence, the company is seeking ways to cut costs to fund it.
Senior Real Estate Manager Martha Schwarzkopf Doyle said at the meeting that Amazon can reach its goal by allowing leases to expire, “hibernating” offices, and subleasing or terminating its leases when the majority of an office is vacant.
“If you can envision a sold-out Taylor Swift concert and give every single person their desk, that’s how many desks we need to get rid of,” Schwarzkopf Doyle said.
Cutting 49,000 desks would free up more than 10 million square feet of office space

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/amazon-cutting-49k-desks-office-space-company-funnels-billions-into-ai/UYLZTD3Q4FE6HPNG3TT4RNEGLQ/

I'd like to think that if I had the time I would spend it doing artful things. Even though I kind of suck at art in general. Perhaps woodworking or something like that. Also something I suck at to be honest...

Ideally, I think this is what we all should be doing, especially if we "don't have to" do it. I reckon if we all worked on creating beauty in some form, the world would be pretty great. Let the robots do the drudge work.

That's what I am thinking! I might just have to learn some new skills!

As we pursue convenience with automation, I think we often miss the greater meaning and satisfaction that can arise from participating in even the simplest tasks. Discovering happiness in those instances can be life changing, but it seems like we are forgetting that in our drive for efficiency.

I wouldn't mind a local community that helps in each other's gardens.

The meaning of my life is to understand myself and everything around me. As much of this mystery as possible.

I don't think there's any point in going to a job you hate and then being bored in retirement because your day isn't fully filled with work. A person needs to study, learn new things, and be consumed by a thirst for knowledge for the rest of their days. Otherwise, they're just a robot.

Otherwise, they're just a robot.

I agree. Our daily lives should be full, but I also think that they should be full of something useful, rather than something for self-entertainment alone.

It’s interesting how progress often focuses on efficiency while the human side of life still revolves around purpose, contribution, and connection. Those things don’t disappear just because machines get better.

Those things don’t disappear just because machines get better.

Yet we keep chasing advancement in tech to provide happiness.

Among cyclist (and probably other sports) it is said, you need to first go uphill to enjoy going downhill.

When you are young, you don't rely believe this is true. You enjoy the speed, the "no effort" joy of going down and feel how long distances go by quickly and consider going to resorts where you can take a lift with your bike to reach the hills before facing the descent. As you grow, you realize having the shape of being uphill and reaching the top of a hill makes you enjoy way more the path down. It gets you strong, it teaches you how to control your energy and makes you learn, having the capacity to go up is the only way to enjoy going down.

AI will introduce many changes in our life, for the good and for the bad, only those who are used to do at least, some the tasks as they are done now, with no atomation, which are automated will be in the position to chose and decide which will mean freedom.

The electricians, the plumbers and the bricklayers will be the rich careers of the future, as they will be able to work for a great salary and decide when they want to do so.

This post really made me think deeply about how people are looking at the future, especially with AI and automation Many people believe that once machines start doing most of the difficult or boring work life will suddenly become easier and happier for everyone. But I think the point you raised is very important convenience alone cannot give life meaning.

if we do not find real meaning and purpose in our daily lives, we are going to struggle

100% agree with you.

Though we - most of us - are not taught to find this when we do not have any obligations anymore whether this is work to earn money to pay for our (basic) needs, care for our parents, voluntary work to help whomever. But we are not able to stop technology development so we will have to deal with a world in which everything is handled by the system, or many systems (AI + RObotica) in which humans aren't able to do a lot, or will not be driven to do anything anymore because the system is (or systems are) so much more efficient. Perhaps we all will find our goals in making others happy by becoming artists of some kind, who knows. I predict we will see a few generations needing a lot of help from therapists to find the meaning we so need. Whether those therapists are humans, AI, or a combination, that is to be seen. My prediction is: mostly AI, with here and there some human in the loop, perhaps, may be, who knows 😉