"I also want to say thies are just numbers, they do not take in variables like bad schooling, single parent homes, poverty or anything. they are just the facts."
Leaving these factors out is a big mistake. They are facts too, and poverty is highly correlated with increased violent crime.
"It is concluded that poverty and income inequality are each associated with violent crime. The analysis, however, shows considerable variation in the estimated size of the relationships and suggests that homicide and assault may be more closely associated with poverty or income inequality than are rape and robbery." - http://cjr.sagepub.com/content/18/2/182.short
I never said that those factors have nothing to do with it. I also said that the notall argument does not work here. im sure anyone reading this understand that poverty increses crime rate. it does not negate the facts. I also said every person should be on an individual basis but if we do that we will never find any patterns. your second quote from the link you posted says poverty has a lot to do with it and I agree with that but the post also says that homicide and assault may be more closely associated with poverty than are rape and robbery. and as you will see in the stuff I posted that the % for blacks is also high. I think there is a lot more then just poverty that is the cause of it all. blaming it all on poverty seems like low hanging fruit to grab at. I do think it is a problem but I do not think it can be used as an excuse. I guess the next question is (and damn its a shitty one to ask) why don't whites in the same income bracket commit as many crimes? if black males are only 6%-7% of the population in the usa and if whites make up 63% but 10.1% of whites live in poverty why aren't the numbers for white crimes higher? there are more whites living in poverty then blacks. blacks have a higher % but the numbers should go to the white with crimes if it only comes down to income.
sry about the long response, and thankyou for your input on the conversation. look forward to hearing back from you. 8D
"I do think it is a problem but I do not think it can be used as an excuse."
See, when you talk about "excuses" what you're really trying to do is assign blame. I've never found blame to be very useful. I point out that strong correlation because if we're going to talk about solutions, that is part of solving the problem.
Unfortunately poverty leads to crime, which leads to police expecting crime, which leads to higher arrests, which leads to split families, which leads to poverty. It's a vicious cycle that needs to be broken, but I don't think you can do that by leaving poverty out of the equation.
"why don't whites in the same income bracket commit as many crimes?"
They are, that's what the correlation is. Not sure how the numbers work out exactly, but the correlation exists for all races.
I am not trying to "find blame" and I have said it is a problem but not the whole problem. we have already established that poverty adds to crime. we are not trying to leave it out of the conversation but you cannot keep using that as an excuse for why the numbers are so high when more white people are poor then black people. yet black people of a smaller number commit a higher rate of the crimes then the white majority of the same poverty level. you took a snip of my whole quote and then say " Not sure how the numbers work out exactly" but then say "but the correlation exists". if there are more white poor people then black poor people and black people commit more crime then the majority of poor people (whites) then the % of black crime is higher with in the same poverty level. so poverty cannot be the only reason. Or all the numbers would show it and we would all have a common crime rate across the board no matter of skin color. but we don't. this is why I say poverty is part of the problem but not an excuse for the differnce in stats.