Open letter to my vegan friends

in #stemng6 years ago (edited)

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Dear vegan friends,

I hope this correspondence would meet you in good health and a sound mind. I have taken some time out to research on the lifestyle you have chosen, especially those relating to diets and I found it imperative to clarify some of some salient issues relating to your preference for plant-based foods over animal/meat-based ones. While some of the opinions I will be expressing in this letter belongs to me, the larger part belongs to the science world.

Until today, I did not know that variation exists even within you my vegan friends. It came as a surprise for me to learn that some are dietary vegans, some are ethical vegans while a host of you are environmental vegans. I understand that while the dietary vegans are only concerned with avoiding foods made from animals or animal products such as egg, oil etc, they really do not see any big deal in using products derived from animals such as leathers, clothing and other products made from animals.

In addition to the strict plant-based dietary observation, I got informed that the ethical vegans also stay away from using any animal-derived products while environmental vegans stay away from both animal-based diets and products on the premises that not doing so is causing an irreversible damages to the environment. Better still, some groups (can't actually be referred to as vegans) such as flexitarians and reducetarian are also emerging and their ideologies happen to be partly in line with veganism. If you will not say I am too inquisitive, it would be interesting to know which of the vegan variants you rightfully belong.

I am happy to let you know that I have dedicated some time to take an objective review of some of the best arguments in favour of your dietary lifestyle. While some are not far from the truth, some are scientifically debatable and a host of others are just blatant propaganda to promote vegan's lifestyle.

First and foremost is the hypothesis that we humans are not adapted to meat eating and carnivorous lifestyle as evidenced in our digestive system and anatomy. It is argued that humans lack the adaptation required of a proper canivorous/predatory animal vis a vis agile body, grasping claws and teeth for tearing preys. In addition, the digestive system of humans is better adapted to digesting plant-based diets compared to animal-based ones.


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My dearest friends, the above argument looked quite convincing and fool-proof, but let me inform you that even among carnivorous animals, variations do exist. While carnivorous animals like lion, tiger etc. have agile body, thick grasping claws as well as dental formula that is well adapted to tearing meat, other carnivorous animals like the vulture have no such attributes. While the former are referred to as predators, the later are called scavengers, yet both are carnivores. Hence, that humans are not adapted to meat-eating because of their body structure no longer holds ground. Afterall, what we lacked in structure, we gained much more through well developed brain which confers to us, the ability to find our ways around tearing and eating of meat.

There is no doubt that in humans, the bowel transit time of meat and meat-based diets trascends that of plant and plant-based diets when considered in equal proportions with other factors being constant. This is in part due to the presence of more fats in meat which take more time to digest as compared to plant-diets and in part due to more fiber in plant-diets when compared to meat-diets. I know that fiber generally assists the movement of food through the intestine resulting in faster digestion, however, the low fat content of plant-based diets means you vegans have to eat far more food quantities in order to compesate for the shortfall in essential fatty acids requirement of the body (our system cannot synthesize these fatty acids on their own) that may arise as a result of strict plant-diets. This is in addition to the risk of being vitamin D and B12 deficient, I understand that some of you have to take vitamin supplements in order to stay healthy. I stand to be corrected on this.

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Next on my review is the argument that plant-based diets is more sustainable and environmentally friendly when compared to animal-based diets. As a botanist and an ecologist, I am totally in for anything that would add to the sustainability and friendliness of the environment but not to the detriment of humans living in it. The notion that vegan diets only take about one tenth of animal-based diets in terms of environmental resources is actually debatable in many fronts. Crop production requires a larger area of land when compared to animal production (though it might be argued that animals feed on a large part of the crops) and hence, requires that larger areas of forests cleared which is generally bad for the environment and leads to emission of green house gases. The transportation of agricultural produce in itself leads to emission while crops like rice have quite a large carbon footprint.

The argument and the debate can go on and on but last on my review is the notion that you have that animals and human have the same mental consciousness and the capacity to feel pains; as such, killing animals is interpreted as murder in your quarters. First of all, I will like to point out to you that the food chain and the food web are natural phenomenon of the ecosystem and organisms only evolved through natural selection. Humans are not the only creature that feeds on both meat and plant-based diets and the accusation of murder is only from moral perspective.

My dearest vegans, as a Botanist that has studied plants to quite some good details, I can categorically tell you that if you consider animals and humans to be at the same hierarchical level, plants cannot be far from them. Plant is considered a living organism, possessing most of the attributes (if not all) that makes humans and animals a living and conscious being.

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Please don't kill me! I am also living

Plants are known to move both spontaneously and paratonically, respire (breathe-in oxygen and breathe-out carbon dioxide), feed (through photosynthesis, carnivorous feeding etc), respond to stimuli, grow, excrete, reproduce and die just like humans and other animals. They communicate and cryout in times of trouble, they have a circulatory system as well as an equivalence of human nervous system. The only thing yet to be established is if plants have brain. That nature placed them at the bottom of the food chain does not make them less of a living organism. You all might want to think twice and re-evaluate your opinion of plants. Perhaps the experiment in this video would clear some of your doubts.

In conclusion, let me reiterate that I did not write this letter to spite your ideology nor bring down your lifestyle in any way. It is just the scientist in me writing and I hope this will not make me and you less of a friend. I will actually be very happy to read from you all about what you feel with this letter of mine.

After all that have been said, I cannot wait to pay you a visit and enjoy a sumptous meal of salad and fries washed down with some soya milk.

My deepest and warmest greetings to your friends and families. Do not forget to be kind to those plants in your backyard.

Regards,

@gentleshaid


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Hi @gentleshaid Greetings from @davinci.witness and the itaSTEM team.

Even though plants are also living organisms, the fact our interaction with them is kind of limited (we cannot play with them, just take care of them) can be a factor that make vegans (and everyone else actually) have less empathy towards them compared to animals.

Also, fruits and vegetables are meant to be eaten right?

Either way, I am not a vegan, and I enjoy eating all types of foods :)

I kinda agree with you. Though I will take an environment full of green, beautiful plants over any pet, perhaps that's just me.

The same way we came about the idea that fruits and vegetables are meant to be eaten is also the same way we came about the fact that animals can be eaten. They are both below humans in the food chain and food web. Even some humans eat their fellow humans but that's not for today :)

This is actually why there have existed fruit-based diets and entire religions and other ethically-minded lifestyles based around the idea of minimizing suffering, for example eating root vegetables or other techniques which require killing plants outright.

I do find contention with your idea that animal-based diets can be on par in terms of resources needed per calorie produced. Of course it is not easy to obtain 2000 kcal from lettuce or something with similar low levels of calories versus the farming inputs, but things like beans and other high-calorie foodstuffs are obviously vegan and have much less ecological impact than all of the feed inputs that cows, pigs, or even chickens require per kcal.

I am not a vegan btw but one very question I have here is the group of environmental vegan. Do they really exist? How can anyone avoid meat-based by products?

They do exist :). The argument has always been towards sustainability and environmental friendliness. They might not be common in this part of the world but check the globe, they are numerous.

Ha! Just last night my husband and I were frustrated after a phone call we made to his dad and his step mother, who are 74 and 68. They now stopped eating meat (well, the idea was hers really), because she feels sorry for the animals! Now they are proudly boasting about a diet filled with soy and korn meat substitute!! I will send this to them right now :)

PS: I feel a bit mean because she loves plants!

hehe....please do. People's choices are purely theirs but the reasons behind their choices can be challenged. If the suffering of living organisms is what makes them vegans, they can as well just be drinking only water. Even water has some living organisms :)

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how do you bring up these emojis on here? just curious :)

I use this table 😊

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😃 There you go! Ok, tea break is over!
Bye for now 😘

@gentleshaid sometimes they consider easy digestion as a dominant factor. nice post, I have learnt a lot. Resteemed

The easy digestion is due to the less fat and more fibre that constitute plants. The easy digestion even depends on some other factors that could vary from individuals to individuals. My meat could digest faster than vegan's plant in some cases.

Please if no bothers, I am going to see this more from a literary angle. Being epistolary, I like the fact that it quite much reads personal to an unseen friend, and at the same time, reads meaning to the general public. Anyone reading this, especially the vegans, would feel a sense of being addressed. This is in everywhere a beautiful technique for a science post.

Coming from a pro herself, I will take this as a honour. Thank you very much. I just try to be creative

Plants having circulatory system and cry out in trouble is something new to me. I have always looked down on plants, considering them as nothing. I appreciate this writeup, very unique indeed.

Thank you. We all learn everyday

That is true. The more we live, the more we learn.

Interesting. This answers lot of questions I've had in time past about veganism. Well vegans are entitled to their opinions but it would not be bad to double check if those claims are not just farragoes of lies

It would have been a lot better if they just stick to their opinions and not try to force it down the throat of others. It is a diet habit and not a religion

Hey gentle, sorry it's taken me a while. I just read all the comments here hehehe and I guess I will get trolled for writing this but it's OK

Actually, veganism is much more than just a diet. It's a complete lifestyle change and a philosophy of empathy towards other living beings and the environment (not to be confused with plant-based diets, which are purely dietary). Personally, I do it for the animals more than for the environment or my own health.

Do I like the taste of meat? YES, but I also have the willpower to not eat it because I know the suffering an animal goes through just for my pleasure.

Am I weaker or malnourished because of it? No, and as you know I exercise a lot. There's no issue on that end =)

Am I missing out? I don't think so. It makes me happy that I don't make a sentient being suffer just for my personal pleasure. We are omnivores, that's correct, but we also have the capacity to choose what we eat, and we are smart enough to build our diets in a way that is nutritious but doesn't include any suffering.

As for the argument that plants have feelings too, well, I'm with @dedicatedguy on that and will just say that you can't really look a slice of lettuce in the eye and see its fear and agony. You can however with animals=). Again just because a plant may or may not feel pain, that doesn't justify the fact that we should inflict pain on animals who we know for a fact that they do. One doesn't justify the other.

If you are really interested in the topic, I highly recommend you to watch the documentary "Earthlings". You can find it on YouTube. I would love to hear your impression after watching it.

hehe..nice to eventually get the comment of a real vegan. I wish more will come out to express their thought just like you did.

I personally do not have problems with people's diets or philosophies about life. Like I said, looking down on others because of it is what I am totally against. We all feel empathy to varying degrees, while some can't stand the sight of the blood of animals, some will laugh and have fun while watching their fellow humans wriggle in pains.

Much as I do not support animal's cruelty, I refuse to see the sustainable use of animal and their products as being cruel to animals. We all know some animals will eat humans if given the chance. We are not standing atop the food web for fun, we fought our ways up there through natural selection.

I will find time to go through the recommended video and give you a feedback. Till then...

Stay Eve 😇

Thanks @gentleshaid =) Please watch it!!! You'll be my hero if you do =)

Not to cause any problems, I like my meat white :)

White, red or brown meat, you are omnivorous. :)

I hope that's not a problem :D

I don't think it is from my point of view 😇

Great post. I believe animal just like plant are met for human consumption. I will caution that a person eat with discretion though, not on the basis of compassion for either animal or plant but to maintain sound and healthy body.

Exactly. Moderation is the watchword for good health. That one feeds on strict plant-based or animal based diets doesn't guarantee anything to be honest.

animals and human have the same mental consciousness and the capacity to feel pains; as such, killing animals is interpreted as murder in your quarters.

This is got my attention
Actually, i also used to think on whether animals go through similar pains like humans when slaughtered.

If we define murder as intentionally taking life unlawfully, and animals and human belong to the same kingdom, it will still be termed murder in the kingdom animalia...

However, animals will not also be spared by intentionally taking plants' life, all for the sake of food...

Then, we are all murderes.

Wonderful write up
Kudos on your effort

Me too. It is almost inspiring me to be a vegetarian

Hehe, not in this country my dear

If vegetarians are calling we meat eaters murder, then we are all murders. However, that is not the case because the action of feeding is for survival. A form of natural selection process and that is why we humans stay atop the food web

Good one. kudos

Thank you ma

killing animals is interpreted as murder in your quarters.

Really? So, vegans has this much Orientation. I used to think it was for some dietary reasons o. So, avoiding meat and all goes beyond just diet.

Omo mehn, they are missing o.

I doff my 🎩 for your creativity..... Wehdone Sir

Hehe, missing is an understatement. Thanks for coming around

Always a pleasure sire.

Creativity fall on you! 💯

rice #150, plantain #50, 2 meat, 1 egg 1 pomo.

you feel me?

Abodi, shaki and roundabout. I feel you die

lol.
On a lighter note, i personally respcect Vegans especially those that have tasted "the other side" before. Having to stop eating meat and all that is a very disciplined way of life. But i dont think i can be one.
If you know what they call AMOO (i dunno if i spelt it right) with amala, then you will not look back.

For me, a taste of both worlds is fine. Eat good food, always include vegetables and fruits, watch the calories and you will be fine.

Nice article my oga, we can actually mail it !

Hehe...if I can still recollect, amoo is the spleen (not sure). Never tried it with amala though :). I am opened to mailing the letter....lol

Hello @gentleshaid,

What a well thought out post. I like the way you pass the message across especially in the area that clarifies and affirms that plants are actually living things as, perhaps, against the belief of the vegans.

Keep Steeming and researching bro

@eurogee of @euronation community

Thank you bro. Your comments are enough as motivation to improve.

Really. LOL

You truly deserve some accolades for this beautiful piece. I strongly believe and love the point you made out regarding plants and animals both being living things. Well, for the vegans, if there's actually nothing more to their belief regarding animals, I hope this try push some understanding to that.
Nice one @gentleshaid

Thank you very much. I have passed a message, it is left for anyone to accept or reject the obvious truth.

Message well delivered I would help you get the letter our dear vegan

That would be very kind of you sir. Thanks

One of the most important things you left out of your letter to vegans is to tell them to stop fucking telling others about it like they are Jehovah Witnesses on your doorstep. OK. We get it. You're a vegan. Sometimes I think vegans are only vegans because they think it's cool to tell other people about their alternative dietary habits -- a sort of dietary virtue signal. They are almost as bad, in my experience, as people who don't own a TV.

Lol....I don't actually have issues with people's diets but when you start thinking and acting that your diet makes you a holy mother jesus of nazareth and mine makes me the devil, it is time we sought some clarifications. No holiness in sins

This really broadened my knowledge on Vegans....
Phew!

Job well done

Thank you sir. I am humble =)

This is my first time of reading your post and I must say it's awesome. Your way of writing is particularly unique.

About vegans, if they deem veganism a way of life, they own it. I agree with you that none of the two food products in this context should be considered highly over another.

Thank you very much for taking out time to visit my blog and for the kind comment.

The subject of what a fellow human chooses to put in his/her mouth is not supposed to be up for debate if not that some vegans see themselves as being more morally upright than meat eaters simply because they pity and stay away from killing/suffering animals. It is now more of a religion above everything else. Hence, the need to clarify some basic things.

This is spot on!

Thank you my friend. I will check the channel out.