Your "advice" was that I need to prove I can do something before doing something, which is literally impossible.
No, its not impossible at all. How do you think I got in the position to do the things I do? Not wanting to put work in doesnt make things impossible.
A rational response would be to listen to my plan, ask thoughtful questions, and if you found it stacked up, give it your support and if it fdoesn't point out what is wrong.
I gave you a rational response. Show the community you can do any of the things you claim and people will take you seriously.
"I am trying to build consensus and support for the plan, so if I could gain that from you, it would be awesome.
I told you that is not how you build a consensus. I dont know you. I dont know what you can do. Youre not active on Hive and havent shown youre capable of anything, let alone the big things you claim.
In summary, you refused to listen, leapt to conclusions, and blew me off without ever taking the trouble to find out if my plan had any merit at all.
I listened to you plenty and explained everything in detail. I explained it to you again here. Hive is a reputation based community. Thats why we have no rugs here. You have no reputation and are clearly unwilling to generate any.
The first step is understanding Hive. Understanding decentralization. Being part of discussions. I guess this here what youre doing is a good step in that direction.
I had to look up disingenuous and it equates to deception, so again you have just made stuff up,
Being given an honest and helpful answer and then painting that as us Hivers (news flash, youre a hiver too) not being open and welcoming is disingenuous.
approach rather than making stuff up
Again. Disingenuous.
Unfortunately, there have been plenty of rugs on the hive; some are made of 200k USD from hivers. However, in this particular case, I know Femi is working on a pitch deck and has meetings lined up with investors. Grandiose ideas need money. In this case, it doesn't have to be from DHF, but no one on the hive should say no to extra money coming in from outside.
I agree with the reputation part. But we should encourage ideas and empower people if they come to hive from outside. The HP a person owns should not be a sign of their dedication to hive. Time is the most important resource you can give to this chain, and the users, just like you, inspire many others to the time dedicated to hive.
Its a thing of the past. When it comes to grant approval or anything related to the DHF rugs arent a thing here simply due to the reputation aspect.
No one is saying no to anything. He needs to show that he can actually do any of the things he claims. Those are big claims.
By design it is a sign of that in part. But if you dont have the HP you still need something to showcase. That is then even more of a necessity.
Hes not active on Hive. I dont know him. Barely anyone that isnt in the Splinterlands discord here knows him.
How reasonable is it to take anything seriously he claims he can do?
Its simply not.
He can still do all the things he claims he wants to do. Thats what decentralization allows. No one is stopping him. But he has to show something. Right now hes just some random unknown guy with an unknown value assigned to him. Hes just a big question mark.
I dont get why that is so hard for him to understand.
There is a reasonable expectation from both sides. I can't profess to understand anyone's understanding. If we could summarise what we want to say in one sentence, we would have fewer paragraphs from talented people wasting their time in circular arguments.
Making stuff takes time, femi's ideas should still be empowered with help if he pitches them for validation/polish in the meantime. I know he is working on things which you have not seen yet.
"Come back to me when you have made a pre-proof of concept before I consider validating your idea seriously."
Is this a decent summary @lordbutterfly ?
It wont be enough. Anyone handling money coming from Hive, especially in cases like this needs to show he can both deliver and is trustworthy. He needs to deliver even the smallest part of what he claims he can do to be taken seriously since he is fairly new in dabbling with Hive workings.
What I did years ago was help return 200 thousands USD that were stuck in an escrow back to the DHF. Money that would never get back to Hive otherwise. From that point it was easy for everyone to trust me with Hive funds in all cases.
Im not saying he needs to do something big like that but he needs to deliver something, anything so people looking at it can say:
"Yeah, this guy can do some serious stuff and he put this amount of work for Hive or SPL. We can trust he can deliver more in the future."
I don't know why it is so hard for you to understand that people love Hive BECAUSE of Splinterlands, not because it has a desire to be a home for decentralised social media.
I would support that aspiration but a lot more would need to be done first to make that waaaaaay eaasier.
As to this reputation aspect, I am amazed you don't see the flaws with that or the way it drives an inward looking cliqueyness, which is exactly what you have done to me!
Fact is, you do not have enough info to be able to come to any opinion about my plan but that hasn't stopped you doing so, but apparently the fact I am not blogging on Hive means it must be dodgy.
I might be a random unknown guy to you, but that is also what you are to me, and so far only one of us has been unwelcoming and hostile, which kind of proves my point.
I really would not mind if you heard the details and then said this can't work for reason x or y, but all you have dome is prove my point that hive is indeed unwelcoming and not open!
Would you like to start over?
Not true at all. Decentralized social media or not.. Why someone uses Hive and for what is entirely a subjective thing.
Im here because its the only decentralized community blockchain where anyone can do absolutely anything they put their mind to and isnt subject to any central authority. Each person doing anything here is an authority!
Its a community run blockchain. The entire point is that you build you value through being a part of the community. You can call it what you want but no one will approve of anything, even on centralized chains without you showing you can actually deliver something.
There is nothing to start over. Youre on Hive. Youre a Hiver like me. A generally unknown individual claiming you can deliver big things. Maybe you can. I dont know.
Show you can do something. Convince a few people. I will have no problem listening to you then. I might even support it. Right now your presence here is in its infancy.
Anything you want to make happen depends entirely on you.
I am sure you think you are making sense and it is probably impossible to talk you down, so I think I will just drop this conversation as it lacks the commitment to honesty and transparency that I expect.
Thanks for proving my point for me though.
You either understand decentralization or you dont. If youre unwilling to learn, I cant help you.
There is no quick road to the point where your voice matters. The only way there is to use it. You tried appealing to me as if im an authority, as if that will get you anywhere quickly. Thats not how stuff works here.
You need to build yourself up. No one can do that for you. And thats as honest and transparent of an answer you can get.
This is really going to be my final attempt to get through to you...
Please consider that questions are more useful than assumptions, which are so very easy to get wrong....
I was reaching out to you as another member of the collective that is hive. Building consensus amongst a collective is the right thing to do. hive is dependent on its OGs.
Apparently you don't know what networking is, which is weird for someone helping run a blockchain...
Although I have been opposing centralised authority since i was a teenager, been involved in blogging for nearly 20 years, and in crypto since 09, you know all about me and what I am trying to do. Right!
You appear to be discriminating against me cos I haven't blogged on Hive, but that isn't why I am here.
Furthermore it is frankly reckless and not a little weird to judge business plans by somebody's track record as a blogger.
I suspect if we count up all the SPL games I have played continuously for over three years, I have been on Hive more than you! Maybe we gamers should get some credit for that...
Anyways, you appear to be stuck in your little groove of faux righteousness, and there is no.one to lift the stylus for you, so I don't know what else to say to you other than you really need to drink more coffee!
Discriminating? You dont need to blog. I havent seen you involved with anything. Havent seen you contributing to Hive. I dont know you. I dont know what youre capable of. You havent shown me anything you did or can do, yet you make big claims. How is that discrimination?
Where is your Hive track record? What have you done so far? Again... you cannot expect anyone to take you seriously with claims like you make without having anything to showcase.
How is that weird or reckless?
Ive played SPL since launch. Owned cards before there even was a game. So, no... you havent been here longer than me as if that matters at all.
SHOW THAT YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU CLAIM TO BE CAPABLE OF. Even a part of it. Go network. Deliver something to SPL, lets see if you can do something there. Deliver something to Hive.
You rode in on a bicycle and claim you can get a bunch of Ferraris here.
You need to beat the skepticism. Not call people that are reasonably skeptical unwelcoming and not open.