@acidyo Hey, in my eyes I don't see it as justice. I thought Backscratcher was a good thing, a service that rewards people for holding Hive, which in turn is beneficial for the platform. I have thousands invested into HIVE. It may not be a lot in comparison to what others are holding, but to me it is. And me sharing good music with people is something that I really care about, I tried to make it a post where others can contribute, and others can come to the posts for new music discovery and hopefully engage with me and share some back. You easily could have dropped a song or listened to one of mine and I would have gave you a 100% upvote and engaged with you. As you can see I do with anyone that has found my posts and contributed to them. I don't have an evil agenda against HIVE, I've been here since its conception after the hardfork. I've just been using this decentralized free platform as I see fit. I'm not claiming that I know a crazy amount about how everything works, as I'm sure you and all of the other witnesses are very well versed. I don't know how to get others to engage with me more. I give incentives with a full 100% upvote for whoever interacts with me, while also sharing music that I love. I seen no harm with what I was doing. I thought being rewarded for being heavily staked into something as a fair idea.
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If you weren't aware of why a service like backscratcher isn't good I apologize for having to break it down to you, but it's usually something most people figure out given how curation and interactions work on hive in general.
Either way, being staked in hive is nice and there is a more "guaranteed" reward for doing so, which comes either in curation rewards (~8.5% APR) or HP inflation (~3% APR). The problem with backscratcher is that you automatically vote for people in exchange for their votes back, it's a sort of "blind" way to reward/distribute stake to then in a calculated/predictable way receive those votes you give out back to your post. This effectively means that even tho you only post once per day, you're indirectly giving yourself 10 of your daily votes (all upvote mana) back to yourself. Backscratcher just hides it in the form that you give 1 vote to 10 other people and they in turn give you 1 vote on your post that day.
This defeats the purpose of curation and guarantees a return where you also maximize post rewards of your own stake. This may be something that works on Steem where curation is close to non-existent and stake is all that matters, but here we're trying to make curation and proof of brain to work. The main issue is that what you do requires you to not put in any effort to generate content or build an audience, you don't have to go out and interact with people, follow them, get a follow back, curate them, maybe get curated back, etc, which would make post rewards a bit more unreliable and a form of "give and take" the way it is meant to be.
This results in you being "okay" with receiving higher APR than others who are putting their votes to work properly and may result in you getting that one daily post out just to maximize on post rewards (pretty much your own votes along with some other side trails/autovotes). Basically the extra APR you receive comes at the cost of those not doing similar activities of trading votes either manually or through services like backscratcher or through some services where you delegate and get upvotes based on your delegation but ignoring curation of each and every post you create.
social try instead is going to be worth it a lot more than this method you seem to have become content with.I think @daltono was a long time ago on a similar service and I'm sure he can back me up when I tell you that letting go of it and giving the community and platform a proper
Hope you'll reconsider.
I definitely agree. There are so many other ways to go about curation than a trail that votes for a lot of garbage. Trust me when I say you will be much better off if you leave Backscratcher. I was worried about rewards disappearing, but when you’re doing the right thing good curators tend to notice that.
I don’t think @acidyo is coming at you too harshly. Sometimes we need the brutal truth to wake up from a bad habit.
As for the rest of your comment, try curating and engaging with posts in the many music communities on hive, I'm sure it'll get people to give you a follow and engage with you on your posts that may have more reasonable upvotes if you jumped off that service until you got more engagement over time for it to naturally come back from many different users in occasion cause they want to reward you rather than doing it cause the service you signed up for is giving them part of your daily voting power.
@acidyo Man honestly, this has done nothing but discourage me, its pretty disheartening to have every one of my posts practically zeroed out by someone who is pretty hefty and well connected. Are you guys currently downvoting all of the people who are involved with Backscratcher? Or was I just singled out? I noticed that you did this right after I took my witness vote away from you.
I've noticed that the tribalism on Hive is pretty prevalent in a negative way in my opinion. This is supposed to be a platform built upon freedom, and people shouldn't be strong armed just because they aren't doing exactly what you are doing. Or their mentality doesn't align with yours. I'm an average laymen that is making an effort to water my investments in my free time and trying to be involved with a newer technology that I believe in.
This "literally" has made me just want to pull out my investments and go elsewhere. I realize who you are, and that you are practically a political figure on here with tons of pull and influence. I know now that I will be targeted and probably harassed because I have been labeled as someone who has completely took advantage of the system.
There's only so much time in a day, while I'd gladly look at others using the service and intervene you did catch my attention due to the witness unvote that's true. You would've caught my attention by a witness vote as well, matter of the fact doesn't change that you're doing what I said you're doing and it goes against what Hive stands for that many agree with.
Downvotes should be encouragement and the long reply I left you should also considered that I care and want you to do better. Going around downvoting doesn't give me any joy or reward me in any way, I'd just want what's best for the community and at the same time yourself, do with that what you will.
Just know you lost a good one. You could have chose to speak to me instead of shooting first.
The fact that this is your decision and reaction to a few small downvotes after months of milking your own votes through vote trading tells me more than I need to know.
90% of my votes were done manually. Distributed to all kinds of different people that I found fit. There has been no months of milking going on. Those downvotes might be small to you. Its a pretty big deal to me. Also this was just the straw that broke the camels back. I've seen a lot of unneeded aggression and mob mentality going on that has grossed me out. Tribalism isn't always a good thing. It's the root of many problems in the World. And you're continued shot firing tells me that I'm right in my decision to leave.
You have literal daily posts of close to no content while on a trail whose name literally means you get all your votes back. Most of your posts have no interactions, even if you rewarded those few that do. You have two handful of comments the past couple years.
If my downvotes seem that bad to you, the upvotes you've been receiving seem even worse to me. This isn't a place where "hey I bought this much stake so now I'm going to make sure I can upvote myself with all of it through some schemes that make it look like I'm not", post rewards aren't guaranteed and they shouldn't be constant no matter what you produce. If that was the case then there would be no point to have content to begin with and just run pure proof of stake.
My downvotes don't even cover a fraction of the unfair rewards you've gotten away with while bringing close to no value to our social media platform. Fair would be to downvote you for longer to make up for the months but that's being petty and I tried to explain to you why that's not welcomed here and why it goes against proof of brain and the standards of curation people have set here.