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RE: Middle Theory Episode For 08.25.17. Antifa in America

in #middle-theory7 years ago

Property rights are the exclusive right to control physical things.

If person A has property rights to thing X, and person B takes it without permission from A, he has stolen it. Person B is thus exercising unjust control of thing X, and his ownership claim is therefore not rightful.

The State has done just this, taken the rightful property of the Indians, and thus has no rightful claim to it.

You need to define property before you can define rightful property.

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The States' sovereignty over previous Indian territory is definedin International law and upheld by Right of Conquest in International courts. The force used to retain that sovereignty is therefore legitimate force. It is not defined as theft; it's Conquest, being An entirely different word.

So if theft is backed by a large enough amount of guns, it's not theft? How about rape? If the States' agents raped your wife, and they claim Conquest, it's legitimate consensual intercourse? If I kidnap and enslave a bunch of people, are they now my property -- purely because they can't escape?

The U.S. took the Indians' land (not talking about the tribes' land, but individuals',) and claimed it as theirs -- it's the definition of theft. It doesn't matter if they have the whole world backing them, fundamentally it's violation of property.

We are talking about how Sovereign Entities interact with each other. There is no jurisdiction to punish anyone for any so called crimes. Crimes only exist where there is a set of laws that when broken the perpetrator(s) can be punished for. Ergo, Rape is not a crime in a lawless world, but if the woman or man is able to defend themselves and kill the perpetrator(s); then that murder isn't a crime either. Now you might say that self defense makes the death of the perpetrator(s) "acceptable" - and not Murder.... where is the punishment for "murder" codified in a lawless world? Generally speaking, rape isn't an issue between sovereigns unless we are dealing with monarchs. But back to the question. If the State doesn't have laws punishing rapists then no, it's not a crime. Plenty of cases of what westerners consider injustice in sharia law dealing with this subject.

I guess you're right, in a lawless world, no crime could be committed. Looking at the practical side of this situation, it wouldn't surprise me, if the society naturally developed a common law based on libertarian ethics. Depends on the society, religion, habitat, etc.

I don't think that State's has the power to define actual criminals. The only "true" criminals, are those who invade other's private property. The U.S. and ISIS can't define criminals, when they're the criminals themselves.

From a moral standpoint where morals are based on a couple of rules Moses established as community standards; yes all current governments' employees, can be considered criminals - However, Prosecution of these criminals will take an Army. I believe in God. The Messiah, Second Coming of Christ and the Fifth Imam is coming soon. I wrote an essay on Inducing Armageddon Via Religion.
https://steemit.com/religion/@adconner/inducing-armageddon-via-religion