I have nothing against forks. They ultimately create competition for the lead of a project, which will push both sides to work harder.
BCH brought a needed improvement to the procol. Their mempool is looking better than BTC. We now know that if BTC doesn't use the improvement, it's because some BTC maximalists want to keep the fees high. It also brought out a truth.
What did HIVE do? It's just a rebranding and a coin-wipe... The tech is exactly the same, I don't see any new users (only the same old ones coming back to syphon $100/month). Blue became red, STEEM became HIVE, SBD became HBD.
Would anyone have used BCH if it was a perfect copy of Bitcoin just with a different name and a nice domain (bitcoin.com)? No.
So why is it working with Hive? Because people in this community have an average IQ of 80 and can get very easily manipulated through the proof-of-brain rewards mechanism. Under normal circumstances, everyone would be saying what I'm saying: that forks shouldn't be touching private property assets, and everyone would be ignoring Hive.
Now tell me, without any racist or political reason, why it was necessary to fork?
🤔 I think you may should be carefully with what you say that emotionally, I would say carefully. I know its a very dramatic situation ands it is difficult for us all. But Hive IS NOT the same as Steem! And pls be careful saying hive user has an average IQ of whatever.
The thoughts about Steem has cartel like structures is an old story and now the time has come for hardforks. There are good reasons for that. I dont want to blame you, but please be carefull shitting on 'all' Hive Users. Hive Network IS NOT SAME as steemit Network. Well, the technology and codebase... Ok, but not the ecosystem itself. Its different...😉
I can image why you angry. But then stop shitting and pissing here in that ecosysten and move away to 'your own better one'....
Well I would absolutly aggree that the governance over here might have other lacks.. Might be, I am not the one who has the big overview.
But I notice a long time ago, that steem has cartel structures. And at the beginning most people were not sure. But dude, Dictatorship is better? Come on, I would not say so. Absolut free space might have the 'bug' of pirating. But if so, I think free space is better then dictator ship. But well, we both can have two different opinions. Thats ok, no, thats great.
Lets remember the steemit (and hive) whitepaper. Do you member it says, the governance is democracy hybrid holacracy? So steem itself is not fallowing its OWN whitepaper... Mhhh 🤔, strange, isnt it?
If hive is that free space and it may be not THE solution of governance, its more fallowing the whitepaper then steem does! Think about it.
I can understand your skepticism. But pls stop offend over here and lets try to find THE REAL Solution! 😉
This is called politics, my friend.
Don't you mean four forks? There are also Whaleshares and Golos.
This is absolutly ok. But that means that we both have a big gap between our political opinions.
Nevertheless I would say: lets stop blaming each other. That would be a favour for both parties and would not be that exausting 😏
You know thats the cool thing about our days platform technologies: we can have our seperate communities.
Thats why forks are important in an open source and free world
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Now if you ask, was the coin wipe necessary? YES, it was, because otherwise the fork would have the same 51% vulnerability. There was NO other way to solve this.
Does this mean that Steem was vulnerable to this in the first place? Yep, it was, and many people were aware. The change of leadership in Steemit Inc made it easier to understand the need for people, it didn't create the need.
I'm pretty sure it could, and I am still waiting for the moment that will show that.
Doesn't change the fact that Steem as is doesn't work as a blockchain and as such doesn't serve for most projects. Do invest in Steem as a community, fwiw, but don't call it a blockchain at this point.
The same way, a cake can be absolutely amazing, it still isn't right for me if my focus is avoiding sugar. Decentralization is like avoiding sugar, you can have great governance with Justin but it isn't the same as what DPoS is designed around, and as such we move away from it. Enjoy your sugary cake, we take our sugar free diet here.
At this point, it's a blockchain and changing people's balances does take more work than it would were it on a SQL server.
It literally just demands a software upgrade. There is no consensus needed to get it through, because it's all in JS's hands.
We "those who cared to move to HIVE".
Honestly, HIVE is HIVE and STEEM is STEEM. The people on STEEM should care about THEIR governance.
Officially tested IQ of 130 here, thank you very much. Maybe you should test yours.
I don't think you have any proof of your idea that the average in the community would be 80, it seems very improbable to me. Even if that were the case, it doesn't in itself proof or disproof any statement. It shows a lot that you answer to this reply and not the 51% attack one...
yeah, technically it's not a 51% attack, but 100% of governance takeover would qualify as the same in spirit I would say?
Privex stopped accepting STEEM/SBD shortly after HIVE launched, and while we were offering Steem 0.22.1 + 0.22.5 pre-ready servers, those are being discontinued from today.
Our official stance is that we refuse to offer any support for running 0.22.8888 nor 0.23.0 - though we can't prevent people figuring out how to run it themselves.
There may be some of the top 20 running Steem nodes at Privex, but it's hard to know for sure, given that we have no KYC - users can put in any name, so some may not put in the same name as they use on Steem.
Above is our official stance on 0.23.0 and 0.22.8888 which was posted in our Discord by @deathwing (one of our staff members)
It's possible, but when you can buy the full top governance, and even more when you actually do, I run away and go for the fork. That is what happened.
It's basically the inverse of a democratic voting happening. In any fair voting system, you have a group of participants (can be similar to an electoral college or a whole country) that select one or several representatives. You can check the numbers that this is what is the case on HIVE. You could argue it's closer to electoral college and that this could be done much better, but that is also partly because of the Stake part of DPoS which gives bigger responsibility (actually by design not necessarily power) to the ones with the bigger stake.
In the case of Steem at this point, you have one person voting for all governors, be it by proxy. All influence comes from exactly one person. No one can vote anyone out but the one with all the stake. This is what we know as a puppet state. You can of course arrange this in a fair way, and Justin clearly tries to put it that way, and my respect for that, but it doesn't remove the fact that one person is in charge and all are at his mercy. At this point it isn't meaningful to say "responsibility but not power", and the only way it's not power is because of a lack of technical understanding, not any theoretical/mathematical safeguards.
Also social dynamics that could kinda keep him in check, but that is almost 0. That is definitely not 0 with the situation Hive is in.
Either way, you agree that they bought the governance. There is no way at all for me to change direction, and there never was. The only way thus that makes sense for me is Hive. The social characteristics don't matter at all for what I want to do there, and they completely fly by me because of my autism, which also makes me understand you as incredibly stupid posing as a know-all that doesn't understand how people can't understand his absolute truth. I understand that you are socially/emotionally right, but it doesn't matter. I'm in it for the tech, and for me Hive is the beginning of the real story. Steemit never really did it for me exactly because of the issue that Hive solved now. I never was a true supporter of Steem, although I always hoped it would get there.
The story starts here and the future looks bright.
I just want to point out that you are using Hive right now. :)