We need to talk about plagiarism on POB // Precisamos falar dos plágios no POB

It's not the first post about this, and it probably won't be the last. Unfortunately. Plagiarism, copying and all of the theme variations are a common problem on networks that pay users, because it's so tempting to make money by publishing content, I understand. But, perhaps because of the lack of a post fixed on the POB's homepage or even the lack of an automatic messaging system (as happens in Hive, for example, where some bots can do this service) it seems that users didn't quite understand that they didn't it is just unethical and "ugly" to plagiarize content, copy it from any site and publish it as your own, but that this is also in a way a dishonesty that corrupts POB's only "implicit rule" which is USE YOURS BRAIN to generate content. I'll repeat it in another way: Be shrewd and copy a text and maybe change its content a little bit, without citing sources and not even bothering to appear personal IT'S NOT a brain job! And even if you take the trouble to polish the content, changing the order of the paragraphs, changing a few small passages. If this content is based on "Google" and "CTRL + C, CTRL + V"... Sorry to say, THAT IS NOT POB.


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If this is new to you, and no one has explained it to you before, that's fine, I understand. Glad you can come here and read this post. Now you know that this is not how you produce content that will generate rewards. And maybe you even got some Downvote because of it (after all we have good members working hard to avoid this kind of plagiarized content around here), that's no reason to get discouraged! On the contrary, take this as an opportunity, after all, now you know exactly what not to do, the opportunities to make money here are still many, we are hungry for authorial content, it is sad to see a sea of ​​people not making use of the minimum necessary, so when we see REAL good content of course we will vote!

BUT AND WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THIS FLOOD OF PLAGIANS?

I'm not a developer, I don't have the technical knowledge for this and I'm just looking to open the topic to be discussed further. I don't know if other users realize this, but those who are in the role of curators of the POBleus project have certainly been stressed by this unbridled level of plagiarism. So, I open space here for us to think about solutions to the problem, and I leave here some ideas I had:

  • FIXED POST on the home page

    It sounds simplistic and perhaps ineffective, but it's a change that certainly wouldn't be that hard to develop. Create a fixed topic with the POB's fundamental "rules", making clear the most important issues, such as plagiarism.

  • Welcome BOT

    A Bot that showed the ground rules to members as a response to their first post would certainly help instruct people, who would certainly read the comment made by the bot, as they feel they have had the attention of the platform. If that person ignores the content of the BOT comment about the rules and conducts on the platform, then we call for a second bot, which is:

  • Anti-plagiarism BOT

    This bot could be used to hunt down these plagiarized posts. I don't know how complex it is to develop this, make a system of it that connects for example to Grammarly, etc, I don't understand that, but it would be perfect. And if the Bot notices the plagiarism, he would give a flag DV to some curators, who would give the heavy Down Vote to "disincentivize the person to plagiarize".


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Well, that's what I immediately thought, I know that none of this is quick or free and that we need someone to take on this programming and development role, but is it possible that a community as prosperous and strong as POB can't find ANYONE who can help with this Bots schedule? Or, are there other more cost-effective and efficient solutions? If we don't develop some initial instruction, what I think is that it will be increasingly difficult to control the problem.

I await suggestions!

Thômas H N Blum

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Não é o primeiro post sobre o tema, e provavelmente não será o último. Infelizmente. Plágio, copy e todas as variações do tema são um problema comum em redes que remuneram os usuários, por que é tentador demais ganhar dinheiro publicando conteúdo, eu entendo. Mas, talvez pela falta de um post fixado na página inicial do POB ou mesmo pela falta de um sistema automático de mensagens (como acontece no Hive por exemplo, onde alguns bots podem fazer esse serviço) parece que os usuários não compreenderam muito bem que não é apenas antiético e "feio" plagiar conteúdo, copiá-lo de um site qualquer e publica-lo como seu, mas que isso também é de uma certa forma uma desonestidade que corrompe a única "regra implícita" do POB que é USE O SEU CÉREBRO para gerar conteúdo. Vou repetir de outra forma: Ser sagaz e copiar um texto e talvez alterar um pouco o seu conteúdo, sem citar fontes e nem se dar o trabalho de parecer pessoal NÃO É um trabalho cerebral! E mesmo que você se dê ao trabalho de lapidar o conteúdo, mudando a ordem dos parágrafos, alterando alguns pequenos trechos. Se esse conteúdo for feito baseado no "Google" e no "CTRL + C, CTRL + V"... Lamento dizer, mas ISSO NÃO É POB.

Caso isso seja novidade para você, e ninguém lhe explicou antes, tudo bem, eu entendo. Que bom que pode chegar até aqui e ler esse post. Agora você sabe que não é assim que se produz conteúdo que irá lhe gerar recompensas. E quem sabe você até já levou algum Downvote por causa disso (afinal temos bons membros trabalhando arduamente para evitar esse tipo de conteúdo plagiado por aqui), isso não é motivo para se desmotivar! Muito pelo contrário, tenha isso como oportunidade, afinal agora você sabe exatamente o que não deve fazer, as oportunidades de fazer grana aqui ainda são muitas, estamos sedentos por conteúdo autoral, é triste ver um mar de pessoas não fazendo uso do mínimo necessário, então quando vemos um bom conteúdo REAL é claro que iremos votar!

MAS E O QUE PODEMOS FAZER COM ESSA INUNDAÇÃO DE PLAGIOS?

Eu não sou desenvolvedor, não tenho conhecimento técnico para isso e apenas estou procurando abrir o tema para ser mais discutido. Não sei se os outros usuários percebem isso, mas os que estão no papel de curadores do projeto do POBleus certamente já se estressaram com esse nível desmedido de plágio. Então, abro aqui espaço para pensarmos em soluções para o problema, e deixo aqui algumas ideias que tive:

  • POST FIXO na página inicial

    - Parece algo simplório e talvez pouco efetivo, mas é uma mudança que certamente não seria tão difícil de desenvolver. Criar um tópico fixo com as "regras" fundamentais do POB, deixando claro as questões mais importantes, tal como o plágio.

  • BOT de Boas Vindas

    Um Bot que mostrasse as regras básicas para os membros como uma resposta em sua primeira postagem certamente ajudaria a instruir as pessoas, que certamente leriam o comentário feito pelo bot, dado que sentem que tiveram atenção da plataforma. Se essa pessoa ignorar o conteúdo do comentário do BOT sobre as regras e condutas na plataforma, então apelamos para um segundo bot, que é:

  • BOT anti-plágio

    Esse bot poderia ser usado para caçar esses posts plagiados. Eu não sei o quão complexo é desenvolver isso, fazer um sistema dele que conecte-se por exemplo ao Grammarly, etc, não entendo disso, mas seria perfeito. E caso o Bot perceba o plágio, ele daria um DV sinalizador para alguns curadores, que dariam o Down Vote de peso para "desestimular a pessoa a plagiar".

Bom, é o que pensei de imediato, sei que nada disso é rápido ou de graça e que precisamos de alguém para assumir esse papel de programação e desenvolvimento, mas será que uma comunidade tão próspera e forte como o POB não consegue achar NINGUÉM que possa ajudar nessa programação de Bots? Ou, existem outras soluções mais econômicas e eficientes? Se não desenvolvermos alguma instrução inicial, o que penso é que vai ser cada vez mais difícil controlar o problema.

Aguardo sugestões!

Thômas H N Blum


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I appreciate your effort here. It's a good one. I'll address some items that I feel are possible:

FIXED POST on the home page

  • Possible. Maybe we can do something on the current front end. A listing of policies. POB-Ecency appears to have some issues.

Welcome BOT

  • Possible. Research is required. I know StemGeeks utilizes a bot what welcomes new arrivals to POB discord. I believe we can direct them towards a "new arrival" room where the policies are pinned. We'd have to check to see how much it would cost to set up and maintain.

Anti-plagiarism BOT

  • Possible, but not feasible at this time. On Steemit, the Cheetah bot sought out plagiarism on that network. It cost $6000/month to maintain the bot. I'm not sure how much it cost to start it up or upgrade it. POB isn't making that kind of money at this time. Also, the bot was only capable of spotting a few types of plagiarism. It was like having an online plagiarism checker for Steemit if you know what I mean.

those who are in the role of curators of the POBleus project have certainly been stressed by this unbridled level of plagiarism.

I understand, trust me. Getting into a curator role opens your eyes wider to the problem people in HDR and HW sees daily across the board. I feel like we're only seeing and catching a fraction of the fraud that happens. The problems won't end. We can only try to keep pace with it.


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Friend, I had no idea this absurd cost of the "cheetah" I really remember being a very efficient and powerful system. And without a doubt, we are not in a position to afford this type of cost. Maybe in the end the best thing is to have a group working solely to take care of plagiarism, something you've been doing with dedication and quality, but I would like to be a pob administrator and I would officially hire you with some more members to work on it officially hehe .
I believe that little by little we will end up finding solutions, I have some ideas that when I have more time I want to expose you about network update posts as some users already do and insert links to POB rules and conducts in it.

Brilliant post, and i can feel the genuineness in this call for action cos it's robbing the real owners of their efforts.

In as much as i hate to say this, plagiarism has found its way into our society and i'm afraid to say this “It has come to stay”. Just like corruption, you cannot stop it but can only set some guidelines/rules that can help minimize it.

I could remember writing somethings few days ago before i joined this amazing community, which i posted on my status, it was quite nice that it was copied and posted by many while some found it all nice to take away the credit by simply adding few lines to the beginning and ended up erasing my name from it. I was so pissed that i had to hit them up to explain what they have just done. You only addeded something but didn't change the context of my message. It's like taking away ones food from the mouth and soiling the time, energy, thought process and effort put together to put up a content.

I don't know if it's possible for a bot to be programmed and integrated into the system in such a way that that once an original content has been posted by the creator, whoever tries publishing such content again as his/hers, the bot should flag it red and the handle of the original creator should constantly pop us as a sign that it was copied from him/her. I don't know if it's possible, but this is my little contribution to this great post.


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Thanks for the comments, buddy! It's really disheartening to see people earning tokens with stolen and often badly plagiarized content. I've seen absurd things around here. And this really will always exist, but the important thing is that we increase the reach of this perception, let the majority know that this is not welcome here. For now a bot is out of our reach, but manually we will continue to work steadily.

Tem que haver uma espécie de "limbo" para concentrar esses usuários que apostam em plágios buscando crescimento por aqui.

Talvez, um aviso em caso de primeiro plágio... E em caso de recorrência, uma passagem direto para a lista negra (com punições) até segunda ordem (a ser estabelecida pelos administradores).


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Exato, é o que tenho tentado. Um aviso. Se repetir, vai pra DV, e assim por diante.

Out of the solutions you proposed, I only see using a plagiarism bot to be a viable way to combat this sort of disintegrity. We already have Spaminator downvoting plagiarised posts, but the problem is that it only downvotes if the plagiarised content was posted previously on HIVE.

I've seen a few vigilante people out there catching bad actors red-handed, but that is still not enough to catch them all.

I'm a little hesitant about those bots because once it starts downvoting, it doesn't seem to stop. It's a bad thing for people who turn things around. However, it is a good option in helping keep track of identified issues.


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In fact, bots help a lot, but I've seen the spaminator act "wrong" for no reason too. But it's just a matter of programming. However, unfortunately it is a complex process. Hive is really advanced on this and has a lot more people watching, POB is still slowly walking somewhere. And for now, the surveillance process is the best we can do.

These are great ideas
and "Anti-plagiarism BOT" is the most important one
No plagiarism= Good Community


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Unfortunately it seems to be quite a complicated system to program. For now let's continue inspecting manually even =\

You are definitely addressing an important point here.

Seems to me that what we really need for POB it its own autonomous front end — in a style similar to what LeoFinance uses — in which what is highlighted most on the home page feed is "Human Brain Curated Content" which would push "Trending" as it now stands to being an option people could choose, rather than the main event, so to speak.

POB already has human manual curators, so why not "trend" their top picks, instead? I think that would be preferable to a "fixed post" format. Which is not to say that a pinned "community guidelines" post is a bad idea.

Plagiarism has been an issue for as long as there has been the Internet. The only thing that comes close to being significantly effective is having a team of community volunteers manually check everything... but how that would work in the context of a decentralized system like POB I would not know.

=^..^=


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Thanks for the reply, mate! In fact, the most practical solution at least to start with is to fixed/pinned a post with the expected rules and behaviors in the POB, but even this seems to be difficult to solve, mainly because we don't have an exactly active group of moderators and organizers of POB, it turns out that we don't have much reach. So we're thinking about a solution, like weekly update of community stats along with linked rules

I appreciate your efforts to make POB a valuable and good community free of plagiarism, and I think the Anti-Plagirsm BOT is a fantastic idea!


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Thank you friend. In fact the idea is great, but still unfeasible. For now we are manually taking care of the community.

I appreciate your efforts to make POB a valuable and good community free of plagiarism, and I think the Anti-Plagirsm BOT is a fantastic idea!


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I appreciate your efforts to make POB a valuable and good community free of plagiarism, and I think the Anti-Plagiarism BOT is a fantastic idea!


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I appreciate your efforts to make POB a valuable and good community free of plagiarism, and I think the Anti-Plagirsm BOT is a fantastic idea!


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I appreciate your efforts to make POB a valuable and good community free of plagiarism, and I think the Anti-Plagiarism BOT is a fantastic idea!


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O ADM não queria usar o mute antes? Tá aí uma solução. Quem for pego plagiando coloca nessa lista negra. Seja mutado do POB e não receber votos de ninguém da grande curadoria. Se tem gente plagiando e ganhando votos altos, tem que dar um fim radical. Porque isso sempre vai ter por aí...

Pois é, eu tenho seguido uma conduta de avisar a primeira vez, e se a pessoa seguir plagiando, daí vai pro DV. Mas o mute nesse caso seria bom mesmo.

idea 1 and 2 have merit, but bin 3. Automated censorship is everything hive proclaims itself NOT to be.
and idea 3 is still censorship, and by a bot makes it worse.

I agree, but it would be a not completely automatic system. The idea would be a bot that understands through some plugins that content is stolen. That way he would warn not only the plagiarist himself, but the administrators as well. That way they would be actively looking at the problem. But these are just ideas, unfortunately far from being realized for the time being.

I feel what you saying, man. Plagiarism isn't a new thing at all. It's pretty annoying very much when someone carves out time and creativity into creating a post and then one dumb or should i say lazy person just comes and steal it. But i'm sure they are major ways to tackle it in the nearer future still coming up. But until then we just hope the little ineffective ways can still keeping trying to keep this plagians at a halt.


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Yeah, man. I think that little by little the majority becomes aware. Naturally a post with dubious content doesn't even get attention, but it's often sad to see people with good intentions and who could benefit from the community, thinking that content copied from the internet will serve them, this will make them not only not earn anything but also give a impression of bad experience about the social network itself.

Yeah, u're right. I see that vision.


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There should be the editorial trending. Though the posts do not earn high votes they should be placed on the editorial trending. It is a kind of appreciation to the authors. When the original posts meet the standard to be put in the editorial trending, I am sure the posts will earn high votes from whales. The problem is that the developer of POB should redesign the front end. I think it will need high cost and need time. We wait for all the development.


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The idea is great, really! And I think the same, what is lacking is an organization for this, a dedicated team. The fact that we don't have active governance in pob ends up not encouraging people to act on their own, but I think this would be a good idea.

I think we can try that

Yes you are there, it's true that copy others work's and pest has zero proves of brain,is good to try as much to creat new things from your brain and show that you understand the meaning of prove of brain and not to copy the work's of others is not the good ideas in this great community, thanks.


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I think have heard about this platform before but always thanks for putting us true just believe we're going to do much more better than before........


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