Before I go into the main topic of this post, I'd like to express my... disappointment.
From all the supposedly active players on Splinterlands, only 621 and 479, respectively, bothered to vote on two of the most important recent proposals of Splinterlands, one for SPS.DAO (actually more) and one for the DHF on Hive?
Here are the proofs (at the time of writing):
I know some people are used not to vote on governance proposals, but let's say tomorrow someone puts out a proposal that all rewards be removed. I'm curious how many players would vote then, either way. The same holds true for Hive users.
Are there too many proposals, at least where the SPS.DAO is concerned? It depends. There shouldn't be a proposal to ask us what color should they make the background of the cards (it's not even SPS DAO's business, I just gave a silly example), and we haven't seen such proposals, but otherwise this is Web 3, and a higher degree of involvement is requirement. I'm pretty sure enough people are not very happy with the quality of work our political representatives in real world are doing, so there's that alternative to look for, if we don't like Web 3 and decentralization.
Hive Governance and Proxies
It seems I need to explain this every time there is a governance vote gathers some interest on Hive.
People can set a proxy account on Hive that will make all your governance votes for you on Hive. The proxy account doesn't manage voting separately for every account that sets them as proxies, that would be a ton of work. What happens is your HIVE Power votes the same way the proxy account votes on governance. If you have a proxy account set and you vote on governance (a proposal or witness vote), your vote will be ignored. What has to happen is the proxy account needs to vote. If it doesn't or it votes another way, there's nothing you can do except:
- remove the proxy account, and vote yourself
- change the proxy account
- convince the proxy account to vote the way you want to
How to check if you have a proxy account set? From here, for example.
If it says something like that at the top, you have a proxy account set:
If you want to remove a proxy you can do it from your profile in PeakD (note Remove proxy @gadrian-sp menu option):
I also like the way PeakD handles setting proxies. It only shows the option to "set as proxy" an account that already had other accounts which had set them as proxy before (there are other options to set an account as proxy if no one had set it before). But on PeakD, you simply navigate to the wallet page of the account you want to set as proxy, and you will see the option to set it as proxy on the Interactions menu, if it is available.
You can test it with my account @gadrian-sp, which already has accounts setting it as proxy, and will have that option in the menu.
If you don't like the PeakD approach, you can do it from Keychain, without restrictions.
You May Not Know...
If I remember correctly, Keychain has a policy of not voting on any proposal (including its own). I'm not sure if it has the same policy about witnesses.
That means that if you have @Keychain set as your proxy account (this may have been by default if they created your account), you won't vote on governance on Hive, EVER, regardless if you try to vote or not with your account.
If you want your vote to matter for governance on Hive, you need to change your proxy or remove it and continue voting yourself.
After checking a few of the accounts that have set a proxy and vote on the Splinterlands DHF proposal, @cryp71x is in this situation and maybe others (I don't have the patience to check them all - this is better to do with a script).
Also, @clayboyn has a proxy that didn't vote for the proposal, as do @mattclarke (an orca on Hive) and @royaleagle.
The votes of neither of them count for the DHF proposal.
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I have to figure out how to remove this proxy or whatever, because I voted for the proposal.
From PeakD, log in with Keychain, go to Account Actions on your profile, and then Remove Proxy. See the screenshot in my post.
Done. Thank you.
You're welcome.
I don't really vote much for the SPS proposals unless its something that I care about. I do visit my Hive proposals more than my SPS proposals though. I prefer to have more control over the proposals so I don't bother putting a proxy. I generally don't think that my vote matters as much but every little bit can help.
Me too! Well, technically I have set a proxy, but it's my own account, so I can vote with only one of them for governance. I think this is the best use cases for proxies, or for business-related accounts and their interlinked structure. Otherwise they don't offer any kind of flexibility and there will be situation when someone will regret setting a proxy, sooner or later.
People dont vote because Just the 3/4 whales vote matters and decide the outcome, vugtis, azircon, cryptoeater and so on...
I'll tell you a secret. If the average SPS DAO proposal has 400 votes (I'm just saying, haven't checked), and all of a sudden there is a proposal with 2000 votes, I'll tell you whales will also pay attention. Because their investment depends on players doing their part in the game, and if they are constantly unhappy about how things turn out, things won't progress, the game won't succeed and it's a bad judgement call for their investment. That doesn't mean they'll have to vote the way the majority of users want every time, then stake voting wouldn't have any more value, but they (and the Splinterlands team) will pay attention, if all of a sudden lots of regular users vote a certain way.
I used to set proxies too back in the day, but I decided to start doing the voting myself as time went on. I don't even think many people know how proxies work
I know. What may be a bad thing is if they have a proxy set by default, kind of like a recovery account. They may not know they have it set or what that means. Setting a proxy should be their choice, and I also don't agree with incentives to set a proxy. That seems like a "sell your vote" practice. Vote absenteeism is a choice too.
I have proposal fatigue, especially Splinterlands ones.
I don't know what to say... Consider this is reading blog posts because you do go through enough of them when manually curating. And that at the end you have to decide whether to vote or not on the post. It implies a little more responsibility, but since you aren't a whale your vote won't risk throw the proposal from one side to the other in most cases. But as I explained in another comment, numbers matter, even if small votes vote a certain way. Their opinion is seen/recorded.
I have always seen something like “proxy” on here but didn’t really know the meaning
Thanks for this explanation
Basically, this is like delegating your governance voting rights on Hive to another account (the proxy account). You can always undelegate by removing the proxy.
I really see the frustration with low voter turnout brother. It's necessary for active participation to shape community decisions effectively.
Yeah, that happens often. People don't seem to like the Web 3 way too much when it comes to governance. Or understand it.
that's so true brother...
Hive is wider than I expected
I’d give this a try
Nobody knows Hive from end to end. Too many things going on (small or big) for one person to be aware of them all. And especially to be involved in all of them.
I voted for it myself shortly after he posted it as well as informed the Splinterlands Discord how to actually vote for a DHF proposal.
You either convince @crimsonclad to vote for the proposal or remove her as your proxy and then your vote will count.
Can you give some link or info how this proxy stuff works?
Basically, if you have a proxy set, your HP votes the way the proxy votes. If you vote differently, your vote doesn't count.
To make it count, you need to remove/change the proxy. The advantage of the proxy is that you aren't bothered by Hive governance votes (for witnesses or proposals). Someone else has this responsibility. The disadvantage you just experienced. I prefer to not use proxy, except among my own accounts, to only vote with one account, and the others to follow the same vote.
If you want to remove your proxy, I explained it in a previous reply. Let me know if you have issues. There are multiple ways to do it, including from Keychain or other interfaces.
Thanks for the tag. I was literally just looking at this.
You're welcome! 😀