Dear DLivers & Steemians,
Lino blockchain testnet. During the migration, DLive will be down for the entire day. On Tuesday, September 25th at 10:00 am PDT, we will be back up and running but on the Lino blockchain testnet.I have some news about DLive to share with everyone on DLive and Steemit. Before I get into the details, I want to take a moment to thank @ned and Steemit Inc. for the support. Steem is an amazing blockchain. It was the first project to introduce its own content-focused blockchain to provide an outlet for those content creators being censored, demonetized, and treated unfairly on other platforms like Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, and Twitch. I sincerely feel that DLive adds value to the Steem blockchain and we have shown the new and existing users of Steemit just how great this blockchain is. However, we have realized that a consumption-based economy is indispensable for the long-term sustainability of any live streaming and video applications. The major source of income for streamers should be highly dependent on their viewers supporting them through various methods such as tipping, gifting, and subscriptions. Now, it is time to start a new chapter on this journey. On Monday, September 24th at 10:00 am PDT, DLive will be migrating to the
This may come as a shock to our Community but my team and I have had thorough discussions about truly bringing this platform to the next level. Yes, there is a bunch of development work that needs to be done before we become competitive but we feel this move to Lino will greatly improve the user experience and performance of DLive. More importantly, it will create a sustainable future for DLive. The Lino blockchain not only maintains the important positive attributes for why DLive decided to utilize blockchain technology for live streaming but also provides solutions for a more decentralized and stable infrastructure, fee-less transactions, and can process over 10,000 transactions per second which is ideal for micro transactions. On top of all this, Lino’s main focus is to revolutionize the video content ecosystem and will be providing resources and support to make it a reality. The Lino Team is a group of talented individuals that share the same vision in the future of blockchain and video industry. Your original content should not become something that is manipulated by anyone or entity. We believe by utilizing the Lino ecosystem that DLive can become a killer app that stands out from all the DApps in the world.
On Tuesday, September 25th at 10:00 am PDT after the migration is complete, you can expect to see a glimpse of "The New DLive" along with a new UI and the new branding. It is an exciting change for every DLiver. Unfortunately, after the migration, the DLive android application will be down for roughly a week. For all the users that are using the mobile application, we ask that you use the web app, or navigate to https://dlive.io on your mobile browsers.
Why is DLive migrating?
We've been monitoring analytics and we were not able to reward our content creators with the true value of their content. Our focus was to grow our user base, and build an engaging live streaming and video community while growing Steem as well, and deliver upvotes as evenly as possible during the last 9 months. However, the current economic model of Steem incentivizes large Steem holders to continuously upvote their own content and other creators who specifically support their content. This creates an ecosystem where a content’s true value can't be recognized or be fairly rewarded. Community members who are not "privileged" enough to be a part of these groups with large voting power are therefore penalized financially. This problem has been brought up many times within the community and even by prominent figures outside of the community. We believe that this problem, along with the current market conditions has led to a decreased consumption rate of live streams and videos on the platform and is one of the most important issues we are looking to resolve. For DLive to reach the next level of live streaming and video, we need a more sustainable ecosystem and a more fair mechanism to encourage content consumption and production on the platform.
There are other issues that will be addressed after the migration. Things like account setups. Account setups are instant on the new DLive, you can create an account and start live streaming or uploading videos within a few minutes. This is so important for mainstream adoption. We monitored our guest accounts and found that only a small percentage were able to wait for a Steemit account to start using our platform.
For improving the live streaming experience, you can start and stop your broadcast whenever you like straight from your broadcasting software. There is no need to make a new post every time you go live. There are many more reasons why we are migrating and I believe if you sign into DLive on Tuesday, September 25th as a new or existing user you will agree.
How will DLive users be rewarded during the Lino testnet phase?
During the test net period on the Lino blockchain, we will use LINO Testnet Points to reward users. Rewards will be delivered through tipping and gifting rather than upvotes. All the users will be allocated a certain amount of free LINO Points when they sign up. Users will also be able to buy LINO Points in order to make donations. We will also have channel subscriptions enabled shortly after the migration, so you will be able to subscribe to your favorite channels. However, consumption is very important to support content creators. The major source of income for content creators will come from the donations from viewers and fans who truly appreciate the original content, and eventually, the DLive team will reward users through the Lino blockchain inflation pool instead of directly rewarding users through tipping.
Lino has an inflationary rewards pool similar to Steemit. This is paid out on top of your tips, gifts, and channel subscriptions based on Proof of Content Value; it will be done automatically based on the consumption using a proprietary algorithm. The reward pool distribution to you, as a content creator, will be proportional to the amount that your content earnings constitute of the entire tipping pool earnings.
For example, when you receive a $5 tip, and the remainder of the entire DLive ecosystem content tipping pool within the same time frame generates an additional $95, your earnings constitute 5% of the total earnings pool and therefore will be rewarded approximately 5% of the inflationary reward pool. All the posts on the Lino blockchain will not have 7-day earnings window, which means all the posts can be tipped and earn bonus rewards from the inflation rewards pool forever.
Earnings for a single post (live stream or video) ≈ Donations from viewers + Bonus rewards from blockchain inflation.
Introducing the New Community Hub
End-user experience has always been and will always be a top priority for us. Nothing will change with this migration, we understand how resistant the Community may be to change but let me assure you that our team will be here to assist in anything you may need. We just launched a new Community Hub in replacement of the Help Center, dedicated to all of DLive’s users. The new Community Hub consists of a help center, a forum, a blog, and customer support services. From now on you can access all the resources you need in one location.
As always our team is accessible through Discord, DLive Fanbase and the new Community Hub, 24 hours a day. If you have any questions that are not addressed in the Community Hub, please don't hesitate to contact us.
A New Chapter, A New Start
To show our appreciation, all DLive accounts created prior to September 24th will receive 100 LINO Points as a bonus, when you sign in to The New DLive and claim your Lino blockchain account.
The New DLive on a new blockchain. It is a change as well as a challenge to DLive and everyone in the community. It is a new journey for both DLive and the Lino blockchain and I am sure everyone will love it.
We have always valued the opinion of our Community. If you will be using #TheNewDLive and are supportive of this change, leave a comment below. I can’t wait to hear from all of you!
Again, thanks @steemit, hello #LinoNetwork.
Best Regards,
Charles Wayn (Kent)
CEO, DLive
Frequently Asked Questions & Answers
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Fuck you greedy douchebag.
No worries, the Steem ecosystem won't feel a thing for them leaving.
Dust in the wind.
#steem-on
We'll have a better project up and running within a few weeks, I would bet.
hahaha that tends to happen a lot. :) Not judging any upvotes, just pointing out that a lot of one line posts and comments get upvoted by whales.
I accidentally fell into the trap of not understanding how everything balances out. Bernie helped a lot by using his SP to flag this post, so it's fair for him to be rewarded for that.
Just takes some uncrystallized neurons to realize that comments can be used as a way to transfer funds to a deserving party!
Ahh that makes total sense, I hadn't realize that at all. Again I never judge upvotes lol. If people upvote themselves or their friends, for one word or long paragraphs of work. Cool. haha. I just do my thing and make videos and always appreciate the upvotes when I get them. And I agree about having the open mind, too. I just wish people would be nicer with each other here. I get that people are pissed, and for good reason, but I think civility goes a long way.
Agreed.
I’m just glad I can stop waiting for this dlive video to load 🤷♀️
LOL!!!!
Yeah, soon, there will be no videos. They will probably delete all the clips they are hosting, so, goodbye content created by Steemians. :)
All of the current content will be migrated and available on DLive still.
Can we request that this be avoided and that our content be removed?
Anyone who lives in the EU has a right to this.
For Americans, I suppose if we request a takedown and it isn't respected we can always submit a DMCA notice.
Submit a support ticket and I'll see what I can do~
How is this going to affect the delegation project that you had going on?
I will unfortunately be ending both projects. I may create a new community for a platform that cares about the Steem ecosystem. I will be posting about it soon.
Couldn't agree more lmao !!!
bahaha @llfarms! Your comment cracked me up!
Me too, but at least they loaded unlike Dtube which did not load my older Dtube videos.
I must applaud your creativity @elgeko
I love you Bernie. I wish you were my dad.
Politely put.
!popcorn
lol
Haha, I was thinking of doing that as well but, you were faster, lol.
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!popcorn
Thanks for the free popcorn.
That's for myself but just bought one more just for you!
!popcorn
hahaha Steem will only be stronger as their only power was because of @ned delegation now that goes back to Steem!
Hi Bernie don't you also think that a statement of @ned would be apropriated now?
He never made any statements about their massive delegations. Expect none.
I agree with @tcpolymath that Steemit, Inc. ought to be transparent about their delegations. But, you probably already agree. And you are probably right that they won't change their odd, secretive method for selecting delegatees, which is really too bad.
Why does anyone think that a private company like steemit inc will tell anyone what they are doing?
Do they not understand that a private company does what is in the best interest of those private owners?
I was hoping that they would be more open... until I discovered that it was a completely private company. Now I don't expect them to do anything but enrich themselves. Isn't that what private companies do?
https://www.steem.center/index.php?title=Steemit,_Inc
In order to do so, private companies must create and mantain some product/service at a high enough level of quality that people still want to pay for it.
They have a right to keep secrets, and we have the right to continually demand them to change that policy. Else, a more competent company will obsolete them in the long term.
@Ned is on the bed with a "fitness" model now! Leave him alone please!
and he's probably practicing guitar for his upcoming cover song!
Haha, really, oh, yes, maybe that is true.
Totally agree!
Awesome !popcorn
Awesome. Upvoted.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lino-raises-20-million-to-create-decentralized-video-community-with-blockchain-300593332.html
That is a lot of dough.
took the words from my mouth. Thanks Bernie!
Thanks @berniesanders
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I wish i had the SP to tell them the same thing without fear of repercussions... but i'll shout from the corner..
YEAH... WHAT HE SAID!!!
I think it is despicable that dlive are leaving Steem as well as poaching Steem's users to a different chain, no less after so many Steemit users have put their time and effort into helping dlive become what it is today.
Ultimately, I think the decision to leave is only going to do harm to dlive and not Steem itself. A network effect can only be achieved if projects like Dlive build on Steem - the first and most established blockchain for social media applications. Taking the dapp else where is just fracturing value.
If it's not built on Steem then I can't support, or use it. As such, I will no longer be a dlive'er. Disappointing yes, but as others have pointed out, Steem is much much bigger than dlive.
Good luck, good bye, and good riddance.
For the first time in 2 years I fully agree with you. Well said. There's always the option to bridge rather than exploit and "poach" and it's evident which route the Dlive team has taken.
They can't poach anything more if you disconnect them from your authorized apps via steemconnect.
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How do I disconnect my Steem from my Dlive using Steem Connect? Right now, I have not logged into Dlive in a few weeks. So, I have to manually log in. So, do I need to change my posting keys or what?
sigh...
They left due to they failed at streaming, still unable to code their way out of a paper bag they instruct you to download OBS to stream with dlive. @vimm is a streaming project released with real developers, you are correct Steemit is better off!
I liked Dlive over Dtube but yeah, too bad Dlive is leaving. Yeah, this may hurt Dlive in the long run, more so than they know. Hard to say exactly but I feel like I can't trust Dlive now. That is how I feel, subjectively. I like Bitchute.
Yea, totally agree.
Well said!
But steem is full of people like you who are selfish and only a fraction of the people who live on the planet are like that which is why it didn't grow. Most people are kind and have compassion. This is what happens when people like you get voted by arrogant selfish idiots. Influencers who are like them killig growth and getting rich while doing it.
Yeah, that may be true.
Pretty terrible to take a Steemit delegation to build a business to leave the Steem ecosystem...
The Steem blockchain is much bigger than Dlive. It was fun while it lasted indeed...but soon we will have a replacement. Its really sad because this will confuse many who don't see the bigger picture. #STEEM
Agreed, DLive wasn't even that essential to the Steem ecosystem lately; and there's not even a need for a replacement since DTube already has a live streaming function. More free SP to be delegated to new projects, at least. :)
But I cannot watch my older Dtube videos because those videos didn't make enough money and you may see the videos but they will not load as they were removed after a few weeks or so it seems.
Yep. None of the die-hard Dtube guys seem to want to address this.
Thank you for commenting. Upvoted. You can see that @tombstone downvoted my comments related to this, which pulled down my reputation from 55 to 51 this week which discourage me, a filmmaker, a photographer, a world traveler, to post on Steemit, to talk about things, to be honest about issues, like you said.
we can look at VIMM
I literally spoke with the dev of that 2 days ago....they have something legit going on there....
They also have designed it so you can join with or without an account on our blockchain...opening the door for us to bring new users into our community.
What is VIMM?
Something with way more class than dlive. Too bad for dLive that 50,000 pissed of steem bloggers and streamers are about to decimate the traitor bandits in the news ;)
I hear second hand their discord channel has gone bonkers and that the death threats have already started up in earnest.
To removed your content from dLive before they steal your personal property and move it to another chain database without your consent, log in and edit/delete each one. They are not offering a way currently to wholesale remove your content. You can also use third party tools to download the content, and a post is going to be made by a concerned user in a community I am in, which will outline the way to find the direct storage link and download your prior content using tools like VLC player.
I was in there with you, and I feel @chiren is really approachable. Future is bright for vimm
#fuckdlive Now I see what they did. Haha they pulled the same shit that vuilly project did in the past. Just in reverse.... So why not be honest and say in the post that you guys ran an ICO?
Remember Vice and their steem airdrop?
Agreed, with or without Dlive doens't really matter for Steem blockchain, many are using them not because they love vlogging or streaming, they use DLive only for the rewards I guess. DTube and vimm are already there for live streaming too.
@vimm is a pretty good Dlive alternative
DTube is already a replacement alternative with DTV...
Not with that 25% cut it's not.
I can't watch my older Dtube videos.
VIMM is here and I think @dtube has incorporated live-streaming as well. That should ease us a bit. Brands come and go, but the major ideas stick behind. Even though they started live streaming on the blockchain, they won't be the last to do so, and won't even be the greatest to do so anymore.
Dtube has problems.
Can not agree more!
Dtube offers streaming so I feel the Steem Blockchain is going to be nothing but stronger my good friend. This platform has a chance to change the world and break down barriers, they are takin ga big risk stepping away. Steemit will live on =)
I can't load my older Dtube videos.
Me 2. So what?
Well said @thejohalfiles !! :)
I think it's great news/warning for steem stakeholders, to see and hear community requests. If they think bid-bots, self-votes, angry whales will attract investors but not dapps (if they don't support them enough), well we'll see how it goes. I think every dApp should pursue its goals and look for better solutions. I don't think dLive is happy with this change but we can't blame the team at all.
And I think they already brought enough value/people compared to the delegation they had. Other dApps should think about moving to steem (this money generating blockchain with zero transaction fees and almost instant transactions.) However we are witnessing to opposite why? maybe our stakeholders have a short vision, unfortunately.
We already have a handful of successful dApps around here, if we lose a few more...
I tried dLive once, my upload speed wasn't efficient enough and I know dTube is going to support live streaming. Or someone else can work on a live streaming dApp on steem but if nothing is going to change, results won't change either.
One flag would've been enough buddy, thanks for approving my point.
"if they don't support them enough" you say, do you really think a million SP delegation isn't enough? lol.
It's a good thing they're gone then, more attention for DTUBE, and more SP for new DAPPS as my friend @guyfawkes4-20 said
I wasn't talking about steemit inc's delegation but other ones who invests in bid-bots and try to get some ROI by self-votes. From my point of view dApps will save this blockchain. Everyone cheering about SMTs, what's SMT? a tool for dApps, hivemind? niche networks... That's the only future for steem, or there will always be alternative chains.
Steem is lucky to be a frontier but that's all, it was even luckier when koreans decided to pump it.
Yeah what if dTube decides to move to another chain, will you support them as you do today?
edit, sorry I forgot to answer your question properly, yes apparently a million SP wasn't enough for them to stay here.
Yeah, @wa7 is clearly part of the Lino team, and after reading this whole post, with their free 100 "Points," this just seems like a cheap attempt to steal away Steemians.
You can always grab those points and use them to buy Steem. ;)
Huh, yeah, if they would have any value. :)
It will certainly be interesting to see how Lino tokens will stack up among all the other coins out there. I'm sure it will have some value, here's hoping I can get 1 Steem for it. :P
I say, their chances of succeeding (becoming at least one of the top 50 tokens) are not that big. All the crypto people are already using Steem to post their clips on the blockchain, why migrate to another platform.
And even if Steemians go on their video platform, they will probably just end up taking the price, and buy back into Steem, or even fiat.
Their only chance is to hit the Asian market.
Lol they aren't worth anything
How can a small group of devs "steal" anyone? You're free to come and go as you please, as are they.
Of course, everybody's free to come and go as they please. DLive surely got bought to move, and probably for a substantial sum of money since they were already doing great over here. Why not use both chains? Because they are part of the Lino team.
They can leave but, the way they leave seems just like a slap in the face to the blockchain that put them on the map. Why give away 100 Points? Because you need new users and are trying to acquire/steal them from here.
But yeah, maybe you are right, a handful of devs can't steal away Steemians to a new testnet platform because, with all its problems, Steem is still the best social-media blockchain out there, and the industry standard at the moment. Thus, who would leave it for something non-existent? :)
I'm willing to test the waters on this new endeavor of theirs. I am nor ever was exclusive to @DLive or #STEEM, but I believe that both will be successful on their own accounts. I'm a streamer, and I still do the occasional stream on twitch, of course it's not primarily for the money or that twitch has all the bells and whistles, it's to show my audience there are better alternatives like DLive. I also blog, and a majority of my posts are oriented towards life as a streamer, so even after DLive pulls out and blows their wad in a younger, prettier, less experienced partner, I'll still be blogging on @Steempeak.
Two Million In Delegations from Steemit. Yep. Theft of users and using us to fund their startup, intentionally planning to then go take 20 Million from the next hotty.
In marriages, it's not called "theft", it's called domestic abuse and adultry.
I know we dont always agree, but I have to say you pretty well nailed it this time.
Yeah, it is pretty bad, like a divorce.
Yes, they can be on both chains but, obviously, they don't want that since they are leaving Steem for good, their delegation is already removed.
But that's good; if they don't want us, it's better that they are leaving now than, leaving when we're huge. :D
Yep, some people don't understand the principle of cause-and-effect. This decision will follow their business and negatively affect their reputation permanently. ¯\ _(ツ) _/¯ Seems like a bad idea in the long term.
I can only imagine what incredible things you and Yaba would achieve with that kind of delegation.
∞§∞Truth∞§∞
This was also my thoughts. Some other questions I am asking myself is: What will happen with all the SP and why not simply create a platform on both chains.
Probably a big chunk of that SP will now go to DTube because there will be an increasing demand for curation on their DApp since all the DLive users will migrate over there.
They could've easily kept their service for both chains but, since they are leaving, it is obvious that they got bought.
In the german discord I also learned about @vimm another video platform here on steemit.
I imagine they will use their capital to give power to their new project in lino.
Their sp is pennies compared to Lino's ICO
:o
Amen.
That’s easy. People delegated steem power to them to help them with their dapp, I mean Capp. They used that delegation to earn steem which they are pocketing and taking to another blockchain.
Trevon is spot on. I have had dms with their main dev he didn't even understand what a peer was and why it's important to host files in different locations Clive centralize live.
Can you prove that Lino is centralized?
Pennies compared to lino's ico and I doubt it covered server costs.
I am sick to my stomach to hear this. I feel like the Steem community is what helped Dlive become who you are today and now you are abandoning us.
And you are leaving on the exact day that HF20 takes effect that would have allowed dlive,with its 2 million SP, to create alot of "instant" accounts
I will however wish you luck with your future endeavors, as I don't like negativity and wish no person/persons ill will
Looks like a perfect time to look into VIMM!
“Steem holders to continuously upvote their own content and other creators who specifically support their content.“ interesting seeing that you paid to be upvoted by a bot
I thought it was weird anyway having dlive and dtube when dtube now supports live streaming. We dont need both.
Competition is always good to have.
Yeah, Steem put them on the map, and they are now leaving with what seems to be a slap in the face. My guess is they got bought; they probably got a % in the business, that being the main reason they are leaving since they already had it more than good over here.
This is the first time I've ever used my rented SP to flag a post 100%. Mainly because I usually prefer to take the route of rewarding excellent content/comments instead and stay out of inefficient conflicts.
But this post is simply unacceptable without you being more honest. You think you can put on a false front and give a few flippant reasons why you're moving to Lino, without telling the full truth. The community is not that stupid. Did you or did you not plan this for an extended amount of time, secretly and behind the scenes?
If not, you have a lot of explaining to do. Did Steemit, Inc. know of your plans? Did you really think this decision would not greatly enrage people, especially making it suddenly out of nowhere? Do you really not think this will permanently damage your company's reputation because of the lack of integrity you have displayed?
If you wanted to do this the right way and really felt you needed a different blockchain for your project, you would have written a genuine announcement about this a long time ago. But you wanted to keep getting free handouts from STEEM as long as possible, didn't you?
Answer all these questions in full detail and complete honesty and I'd retract my flag as well as edit this comment.
[self-upvoted for visibility.]
P.S. Note that I don't support the aggressive way some are choosing to handle this. Death threats are never acceptable. We can handle this in a more civil manner.
But we still expect answers if you want things to even somewhat resolve when it comes to your relationship to the STEEM community. I write this comment with a loving intent and not out of anger. We're waiting for the fuller truth of this situation to emerge.
Seems like it was well planned for many months. Masterpiece!
No answers that will be truthful will be shared by these scum bags...
not sober forgive the grammar
I also doubt they will own up to things. I just wanted to write a post to express the reasons why I chose to flag, but also to give the opportunity for them to explain themselves if they really have the cojones.
Thanks for the info, I'm not too in the loop when it comes to DLive. Actually, I was planning on making my first video over there soon, but now it'll be on @vimm or somewhere else.
A dApp that is centralized & a streaming program that can't stream without actual streaming software.... does @lino realize they picked up our trash?
I feel like these are all issues that are currently being addressed by the current hardfork and the next one planned in March. No hate here, but I think there will be a lot of people that were supporting DLive not following you guys to another chain. Best of luck and hope that grass stays greener for you, but I dumped all the other projects I had any stake in like EOS because I think you'll find, like I did, that often they have serious problems of their own to work out.
Peace Out Dlive. I’m sticking with Steem.
And your self upvote .... KINDA proves their point.
Doesnt matter, never saw you browsing streams or upvoting anyone else in the DLive community outside of your circle of friends anyways.
Only reason I know who you are is your self upvotes and bitconnect.
Self upvote is just using your own stake. It's the ultimate freedom. It's called promoting yourself when you feel you have something important to say. Majority of people self upvote for visibility in comments. This gives people the ability to empower themselves. You can't do this on other platforms your view will be lost forever. Steem is the ultimate empower tool. The power of capitalism.
I can't say I entirely disagree with you, but I've always seen self-upvotes as a form of approving of your own content, rather than taking your perspective out of the equation and allowing others to be the judge. In other words, I see self-upvoting as another form of masturbation, you're only making yourself feel good, and some people are ok with that.
Yes you approve your own content. But it doesn't make you immune. Other stake holders can upvote and downvote you at the same time. Others will judge you also. You have to understand that this place is a win-win-win platform. It's in everyone's best interest that others also win. How many go crazy on self upvote? Less than 1%. So you judge the majority on the minority of actions.
I love self voting.
I love your diplomatic positive answers no matter what these trolls throw at you! New fan here sir.
Current top 10 self voters if you are interested
Self-Vote Value (SBD)
@haejin $721.254 @trafalgar $393.456 @adsactly $291.437 @dimimp $279.374 @czechglobalhosts $240.595 @acidyo $166.932 @dobartim $123.257 @steemit-jp $120.105 @cervantes $111.992 @sndbox $104.037
Thank you.
Does this flag prove a point?
Fuck off mate... You're behaving like a child
That I am right and you are polishing brass on the titanic? At least, that is what I got from it.
I only first heard of you when you invested in UA, and what I heard from prominent and tenured steemians was that you are pretty much platform garbage with a long history of self absorption, chasing scams and possibly even crimes. Some of those allegations even substantiated by your very own post?
https://steemit.com/trevonjb/@trevonjb/because-i-do-care
But yeah, your flag on a post outing a truth about you, is proof of no brain.
This right here.
Whammy! Hahhaha
LOL
copy that
LMFAO AND THEN HE DOWNVOTES YOU.
Yeah, it's time for LINO. :P
Hurry up and leave, lol.
AYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WHATUP PLAYA
Not y'alls payouts, that's for sure!
I’m more upset that they are leaving the Steem community for the sake of their dapp surviving instead of sticking around and trying to help steem survive. I thought dlive was a steem thing.
Now we are getting to the root of the issue...
it is a lie, they could be on EOS, Steemit, Lino and more they are deceitful lying scum bags.
Crusade ALLL The Blockchains!
zFunny
I really don't understand what the purpose is, or why it is necessary
especially when STEEM is going to be having the major updates it will be having relatively soon. It seems that you all want to build a great platform, but fracturing and potentially destroying the entire userbase doesn't really seem like a great idea. Why was this decision made and announced not even a week before implementing without any input from the community? That's distressing, and "#InDLiveWeTrust" isn't really an answer, blind faith is a bad idea.
Why not have DLive work cross-chain and work with both or more chains?
I am not sure that I will continue to use the service if it is off STEEM entirely.
I don't even know what LINO is, it may be better for DLive, but at least give people time to understand. 5 days is not nearly enough. I thought transparency was the rule of law at Dlive, and am severely disappointed.
Lino is an Erc20 token that raised over 20 million in their ICO. I recognized the connection earlier this year and always kind of expected this to be honest.
Speaking of ERC20, why didn't DLive just make their own token using that and do 1 person = 1 vote token payouts without the 7 day limit to reward evergreen content? That's kinda what I was expecting to happen. And when SMTs finally launch they could migrate over to that, you know, like some dapps are doing already.
Just do a Steemhunt
Even hypothetically if people want to migrate to LINO for Dlive, powering down takes months, so there's going to be a huge gap in when people are going to be able to full run on LINO, and I honestly doubt many people will do a full switch because of DLive exclusively.
There is no need to transfer your tokens... The reward system isnt weighted on holding the coins.
I will still likely be on both to be honest.
From what I understand it's more about liquid capital, and having that tied to one platform for a long time makes the switch period awkward.
I don't understand why they just don't operate on both chains or at least leave the steem end up during a bit of time. It's too soon with no real discussion
I guess maybe... I myself am not a crypto guy so I don't want to use more than one if I don't have to... I think I'd be quicker to leave steem than to not follow dlive... Is everyone going to start streaming with dtube now?
Does dtube have streaming?
Yep see the "Go Live" link on the left side bar
Technically speaking: Yes
https://steemit.com/dtube/@heimindanger/dtube-0-8-the-grand-upgrade-is-finally-here-dtv-dtalk-vip-system-etc
Functionally speaking: Not really
dtube streaming is mega garbage you might get an upvote though lol
vimm, as eric said
Of the people that stick around probably vimm... They might even get the delegation now
Oh, well thanks for bringing us in on it Eric! Lol
Was only speculation. Wasn't something I wanted to share.
I was only half serious Eric!
Is this for real? After such a long time on Steem?
I don’t understand this decision, isn’t Lino another chain created by Dlive team?
Anyways, it’s a disappointing news for us, previous or current dlive users. Don’t think many are using DLive because of DLive, they use it because it has been on Steem.
I guess business is business, still, good luck and goodbye.
They probably got in on some side deal.. That benefits the founders of dlive. If you look at dlive curation you can see they always upvoted their inner circle the most.
... To pay the dlive team for their work.
That should not come from an official delegation. It will corrupt something from the inside. Once you start to lower your standards. As you can see now they leave. It was always about the money.
steemit has 46 million steem sitting in an account doing NOTHING.
You are mad about the ~6-10% of the total returns the dlive team was paid from their delegation?
I am mad that steemit never delegated more to the project.
(it was by far the best dapp on steem)
best dApp? I hope you pay close attention...
Oh their mobile app, more of a browsing app, can’t do much except for browsing.
It's called building something slowly with responsibility.
d.tube was always better. Higher standards. Playing a game is almost 0 original content. Just some audio commentary added on top. Might as well let an AI create videos.
Lino raised 20 million in their ico....
And just like you reward users for using the platform you reward those that help make it run.
I never had a problem with them rewarding their team.
But the dlive team clearly has shown 0 loyalty to the Steem Blockchain. They probably run away from Lino if they get a better offer later. It shows low standards in loyalty.
Yo. DLive is Lino. Lino is DLive.
Yeah, people working in your company need to be payed, using upvotes to do that is a way to make that happen. I never had any problems with that myself.
The "founders" of dlive are lino.... The dlive team has nothing to do with it.
There is no way any of the rewards CAME CLOSE to the server costs.
Even worse, just abandon 100% of their user base
80% of their user base exclusive to dlive and dont know what a witness it
I need an explanation of why flag to the comments of @ericwilson ... bernie, explains why the flag
No need. Rather than engage and talk about it, he doesnt like the cut of my jibb.
@berniesanders if im wrong call me out otherwise you are only proving the point of why @dlive is leaving.
Be the change.
(Here's a link to their discord if you are interested.) Don't worry everyone, it looks like @vimm is poised to take their place, and although they're still in alpha, they already have a lot of features I wished dlive had.
I don't look at this as a loss, I see it as a market opportunity for something better to fill the demand.
Best of luck to you in your future endeavors, @dlive and co, and thanks for all the support you've given @msp-waves over the past months.
Well said. Market opp was my second thought after true globo-style grumbling.
It will be interesting to see how things pan out.
Was thinking the same thing.
Awesome, Joker, thanks for the heads up on Vimm.
Fuck DLive, go @vimm and support your local dealer.
We are very disappointed to see Dlive leave the Steem ecosystem. As much as we understand the need for innovation, and the upsides of having control over your own blockchain, we can't help but to think that this exit is happening right before the peak of opportunity.
In our view, it would have made more sense to become part of the SMT ecosystem and build on a blockchain that had already the underpinnings to catapult Dlive into new heights, but recognise at the same time the value of freedom and choice.
Farewell,
Team Smartsteem
Professional post I agree with Smartsteem, their is so much more that steemit still has to offer it has heart.
That said that is why we have freedom and we should be professional about their leaving.
Respect.
Agreed, the peak, the horizon, of opportunity, is here on Steem, Bitchute, Gab, etc.....
Sir i did not receive upvote yet as i have sent 15 steem
https://steemitstage.com/photography/@ronnie1/peacocks
What happens to existing videos ?
Are you taking them to the new blockchain too ?
I don t ant my videos at that new Blockchain. I was using DLive because I wanted to support Steem not Lino !
I don t get the reason why you moving ... it is possible to Tip steem too... Without any transaction fee.
You think wales upvoting their own content is bad ... well I think so too. But at the new Blockchain it will be even worst !
Just think about 2 Users that both have 1000 Lino ... UserA does a tip of 1000Lino to User B ... UserB does a tip of 1000 Lino to UserA ... Both still have 1000 Lino but will earn from the inflation pool .... This system will be exploited way more than steem.
Wow, this is big news. I hope @wa7 understands that the majority of people here are obviously upset; however I'd say that this event is something the Steem community (including Steemit Inc) should learn from:
DLive is a business, and as a business owner / founder / manager you have to do what you deem best for your business. While the arguments in this post are fairly weak (why can't you have tipping with Steem?), there's definitely a thing to the account creation topic which hinders growth for a startup (a lot, I suppose).
Therefore it's DLive's right to make this swap. However, what seems really wrong is that they've used the delegation from Steemit Inc to grow their business initially and now that they've had their kickstart they abandon the ecosystem to start their own. If Steemit had given DLive a usual "real world" grant, investment or whatever, this kind of thing would be prohibited by real world contracts. @tcpolymath also had a good piece about the delegation principles. @ned maybe something to think about.
The other side of this is that leaving Steem will probably kill support from thousands of users. Whether Lino is actually usable or valuable to DLive's remaining and new users is totally unclear. So far, and without having read much about Lino, it seems the whole thing is pretty centralized. Good luck with that!
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Dlive and Lino may not be decentralized, maybe not a real blockchain, and I dislike that, if that is true. I prefer real, complete, thorough, blockchains.
Wow so many downvotes! I rarely if ever see one. Here are my thoughts as a video creator. I love making videos, I have been very active with YouTube since the end of 2013 with my cooking show, and with over 230 videos and about 5 years later, I make okay money on YouTube, but if you took away my top two earning videos after all that work, I would make a pittance. I was so happy to find DTube! It was another avenue to earn money with my content. I tried DLive and just didn't like the experience much over there. I know people love that platform. I just couldn't get much traction on it. I think using the Steem Delegation to build up their platform and then leave is not cool. But here is the thing, so many people got upvotes from Dlive right? DLive can't take that money away from you. So at least a lot of people here on Steemit benefited from the delegation. I think out of all my videos that I made on there, I got upvoted once by DLive. haha at any rate, I am fine that they are leaving, but I was never really invested with them that much, I am sorry for those that are/were. I do wish people would be a little more civil though with each other in the comments. :)
Glad you made money on YouTube
Thanks! lots of hard work and lots of time. haha and still not much money a month for the effort. haha
Yeah, it takes a lot of work but as you grow your brand, and everything, it takes places unlike the world has ever seen, a little bit like @Cernovich. Upvoted.
You got a 78.13% upvote from @booster courtesy of @redjepi!
new isn't necessarily a bad thing here. Blockchain tech is on the cusp of a new generation and the Lino blockchain appears to be very oriented toward video content creators, human interaction, and a fair rewards system. I just wish there was a bit more tech info but I can't even find the whitepaper!
Everyone on some threshold or another is reluctant to change, so from my perspective I happen to think that this is a positive step in the right direction for @DLive. I really don't like the idea of migrating to a completely new blockchain that hasn't weathered the storm of the crypto-market like #STEEM has, but All in all, I'm with #DLive on this one, you will see myself and @reptimom88 on the new platform. Cheers to new beginnings @DLive :beers:
I wanted to find more information and it was disappointing.
I wanted to find
More information and it
Was disappointing.
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The competition is good and good luck to Lino.
Are you serious? SMT's are on the horizon allowing for account based voting. Wouldn't that address the problem? And after all the support you've received from the Steemit Devs and community.
"Disappointment" doesn't even begin to explain how I feel hearing this...
Combined with the fact that this was a rushed decision with no proper community input or allowance for proper time to even research LINO to begin with. It's starting to feel more like a betrayal and opportunist move than anything. Best case it's gonna fracture the community tremendously, worst case, it's gonna kill the userbase. I don't even understand why they can't make it cross-chain at the very least.
Cash n grab, buddy. It all looks real bad on the team at this point. And the audacity to carry it out when HF20 is released. I don't buy any of it and am totally with you on this.
I'm heavily skeptical, yeah. The fact that they continue to powervote with bots and avoid saying anything that isn't culty "we trust!!" shit is very interesting to say the least.
From what I'm reading, they planned on being LINO(or LI-NO as @steemitqa said) from the start. Its the little things, but the biggest thing is that they all went to college together.
The college thing makes me think Lino is like Facebook all over again.
Is anything cross-chain yet? I would love to see something between, Steem, Gab, Minds, Real Video, and Bitchute, for example.
Agreed, I feel betrayed, almost as bad as when Peter Pan was trying to kill own son, or something, Gold, from Once Upon a Time.
LOL This!
Link points to Steem version of DLive :-P
No reason for people like me to go there.
No blogging. No other.
Only dlive.
The irony is unchainy
Well, thats will be end of DCR Tools support for Dlive :(
well, I want to cry - months of work... ;(
I accompany you in your pain, you should join other developers in revenge for that, creating a new platform.
oh zygibo :( I feel your pain...
Maybe you should talk to the VIMM guys? It's still in alpha, but developing tools early could work out better for you. Actually glad I saw this as I used your tools but never actually found you on the chain to show you any support.
Ouch!
What didn't kill you makes you stronger. I failed in the first website I was trying to build in 2012, a site called MeaOmnia.com, and it was supposed to be like Facebook but better. I spent months on it and then my sponsor was giving up on it as we were not making money on it. But i sure did learn a lot. You too. It is painful when projects die, but you know, no pain, no gain, no oatmeal, and you get right back up again.
Congratulations!
(Now with sprinkles!)
As an experienced longtime producer of amazing content for consumers to enjoy as they utilize this blockchain and as someone who has used their stake from time to time in an attempt to support those using your service known as the Old, Moldy, and now Defunct DDead in order to help your service and the contributors see success, only to be told it wasn't enough and I've wasted my time...
Well...
To that I say good riddance!
If the shirt is dirty, throw it out and buy a new one? You'll face a whole new set of problems now with your new plan and there won't be too many places left to run to.
Many folks here will not want to turn their backs on the following they worked incredibly hard to earn and you seem to think a vlogger can do that and then expect donations? Yeah, good luck with that one.
Everyone can go there and start from scratch to enjoy a service that sounds like it's going to be just like all the others in existence today, offering nothing new or innovative. That doesn't sound like a disruptive technology I'd be interested in. It sounds like everything else. These vloggers would be better off now receiving tips and subscriptions on Youtube, because that's what they do there.
If you're planning on reinventing the wheel, you don't just build a wheel and call it a whool instead.
This platform has been working on solutions since day one. They know it's not perfect but they certainly don't want it to remain imperfect forever. Some trial, some errors and a shitload of patience is needed and that's something a lot of people here can handle, which is why we don't see them running away with their tails in between their legs.
I feel used, and I don't like it. We produce content, make sacrifices, build up a fan base, people who stick around, they're here to explore, they see something like Dlive, become fans of new users there. As a content producer on Steemit, that's one of the greatest things I as well as many others do for you folks and we're all facing the same struggles yet sticking around.
Have a nice day.
Agreed and I wouldn't really trust a whool either, haha, and RIP Ddead too.
I don't get it, doesn't HF20 solve the sign-up problem and SMTs the whale issue you mentioned? Anyway, I'm glad you announced this before Sep. 25th. I was planning to go DLive exclusive then 'cause of fast sign-ups but I guess that won't happen now. I'll just move on to something else. The great thing about Steem is going somewhere else will bring your followers with you, no need to start over. ;)
Yes you can issue your own tokens, that's not "only", that's a huge difference. Steem will continue to be payed out like it is now, plus it will also be part of the SMT rewards. Like with @steemhunt, you can earn both HUNT tokens and Steem with your upvotes. Now if DLive went with an SMT and did 1 person = 1 vote token payouts without 7 day limits, it would solve a lot. And steemit.com is losing its firm dominance on the Steem ecosystem. It isn't far fetched at all, you're going to see a new dominant dapp here in the near future. Now if DLive was on top with millions of users all upvoting their favorite streamers/video creators, everyone getting payed both in DLive tokens and Steem, it would make a big impact on Steem's distribution itself. 'Cause the problem is big accounts circle voting right now and not enough small accounts voting to make a difference. DLive with its account based voting as the main way to earn would consequently change the game for Steem as well in the background.
That's my understanding of SMTs anyway. :P
There is no reason why an SMT could not become hugely valuable if the app(s) it was created for became hugely popular. It's possible to design the distribution of an SMT in any desired manner from the outset. Every one of the problems mentioned by the DLive team could've been solved by the SMT protocol - except for bandwidth, of course, the ownership of which will be quite concentrated into whale hands for quite some time.
Exactly. The way Steem is payed out won't change, but SMTs can change the distribution. You earn Steem alongside SMTs. So if the masses started using any dapp using SMTs as its main payout method, those same people voting would unconsciously make Steem more evenly distributed. Making the potential whale circle jerking using just Steem harder and harder. A few whales can't offset a flood of minnows fighting against them.
It does solve the problem, it won't be easy to rape the Steem reward pool that way when you have masses essentially fighting against abusive Steem voting. The kicker is people probably will have no idea they're making life hard for the bad actors. They're just trying get their SMTs.
'Cause you're using it in the background as you're voting to get your SMTs. You're getting your SMT token, plus some Steem as a bonus. The two systems work in parallel. Like with @steemhunt, you get your HUNT tokens and some Steem for your upvotes. However Steem isn't the motivator for upvoting, HUNT tokens are.
Kind of a bad PR goodbye post... you really did kind of throw Steem under the bus with the way you wrote the post not just your decision.
IN OTHER NEWS
I guess it was good we focused on getting Dtube/Youtube videos playing straight from the feed.
Dlive never did have a way for us to easily stream the content... they were more interested getting people over to their site.
MOVING FROM HANDOUT TO HANDOUT??
How come you had that much delegation and you couldn't even make it work??
What makes you think the next handout from the next blockchain is gonna fix your business plan?
Also may i add @steempeak has done everything without any delegation so far.
Go steempeak!
Lovin' SteemPeak btw, stay golden.
steempeak is a prime example of "doing it right".
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I won't speculate about whether this was your plan right from the start or not since it wouldn't change a thing, but I want to let you know that you just personally failed on a high scale. Being the crypto markets still a very small world, your newly acquired image of having exploited the Steem network in such way, won't help you much in terms of starting out new business agreements. Who may want to trust someone like you in the future?
The fact that the Business Developer from Steemit, Inc just commented a Nooo! here, makes me think if you haven't even informed the ones that provided you with so much loyalty and support, before setting up this blog post. That'd be not only unprofessional but also a clear zero with regards to business ethics. I hope I am wrong about this.
Now I have a question for you which is a friendly recommendation at the very same time:
Can you please elaborate on what is going to happen with our content being stored on your website? You may know that nobody of us gave you permission to use that content in a different way than being related to the Steem network. You may not want to receive thousands of take down notices from lawyers from all over the world, when you start out your new business, do you...?
You may deeply regret all this one day, and I guess you can already feel that today.
EDIT: Abstract from your Terms of Services:
While I don't agree with everything on this post, I do agree that the platform needs to re-think the 7 days rule on content, especially evergreen ones that folks go back to again and again when they search google. Steemit's search is not that great and I rarely used it. The other is some internal system to be able to build incremental revenue (marketing, ads, etc) to build the value of the blockchain. Otherwiese you'll just end up with a depreciating unit of SP every day.
Is this the Blockchain you're moving too? Wow looks exciting ... please tell me more about it ;) hahaha
lololololol!
Yeah well fuck you too :)
Really a shocker now that the Steem Blockchain will implement major upgrades H20, Hivemind, SMT and Steem-ua Reputation System your are not willing to be a part of it? You spent so much time building this community under bad conditions and when things are turning around and many of your problems will get solved you are leaving Steem? That is really sad...but can't help it. I wish all the best with establishing your new community!!!
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Oh my god you just create your own SMT and Community than you have moderators which controll the rules that you want to have in place. I'm not a expert but look at Steemhunt they eliminated all these abuses on their platform. You are crazy if you don't come up with a solution!!!
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It depends on how you want to view raping the reward pool? Since self-voting is not prohibit there can't be such a thing like raping the reward pool. Who ever has Steempower is allowed to do with it what he wants, thats the beauty of decentralization. Otherwise if we prohibit it we have a problem with centralization. Ether way its better to view self-voting not as raping its more like unsocial behavior which is pretty common nowadays in all kinds of businesses.
Well I agree to your argument but I can also understand that not every Steem user is a content creator, developer or witness. Most people you upvote them self are purely investors and they like to see ROI. In order to be able to create income for them they have to hold on to their large Steempower which is a good thing. I hear many users complaining about the price of steem...and thats why we need more investors on the platform who are willing to increase their steempower. This platform also can't survive just by content creators who keep on selling their earned Steems to the market. We need to make everybody happy here on Steem...content creators, developers, witnesses and Investors.
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I don't think you understand how the reward pool works.
It is an 'un-rape-able' delegated proof of stake mechanism.
Thought I would just post on the STEEM announcement here, that I think it's very interesting that there's so much being ignored on this blog post and now they want to shuffle all discussion away from discord in favor of their own newish forum.
Now, of all times, seems bizarre.
Literally every single move of this is so fishy and filled with awkward fake-niceness and it's annoying.
"Such audacity!"
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Yeah, it raises red flags.
Anyone who invests more time and money in a business that thinks it's appropriate to kick their incubator on the way out deserves what they get. You could have done this in a classy and positive fashion, and chose not to.
HAHAHA
LOL!
So the Steem Community built up dlive with support and tons of delegation... and now they decided to leave? WOW!
Word man these cats are disrespectful!!!!
Could we treat Dlive like a grown son that is moving out of our house?
I still can't believe in this :( such sad news.
But right now all I can say it is thank You for all Your hard work and for the support You gave to so many creators.
Want to say thank You in my name for all the support You have gave personally to me. It means a lot.
Wish You the best luck with this move and for sure this will not be the last time You see me creating content in Your platform because I think You guys are doing a great job.
Pretty disheartening news... this will also penalize users (like myself) who invested in steem BECAUSE of dlive.
I am in full agreement that content creators are still not being paid enough, and I am excited if we are moving to a blockchain that can better address this problem. I wish there was more assurance of value to people like myself who have invested in both steem and dlive...
DLIVE TO THE MOON ANYWAYS
People are being paid very well on this place. If you think some fantasy land exist that will give you more then I can promise you it doesn't exist. The founders are the only people earning on this flip. For the content creators it's all a major loss. Now they made you invest in Steem and they are leaving you behind. You should be upset.
I am upset that they are leaving steem. I am upset I invested in steem thinking dlive would stay.
I am not upset if they can better utilize their own blockchain and funding to properly reward content creators, and create a healthier ecosystem of rewards and content. Steem could improve in a lot of ways and I think they probably failed to appeal to dlive enough for them to stay.
What do you mean with properly reward content? And healthier ecosystem? This is the most positive place that exist. Have you seen the amount of projects going on here? There is no other Blockchain with this much activity. And it's also a proven Token. That has real volume. Start something new means you will be behind Steem for at least 2-3 years.
I don't work for dlive, but I can see the risks and calculations they are making.
They have funding, they have a community, and they plenty of reasons to leave steem. Calling steem the "most positive place that exists" is incredibly naive.
Their goal seems to be to create a platform that can rival, if not destroy mainstream corporate platforms like youtube and twitch.
Let's stop pretending that steem isn't holding them back from that goal.
Steem has a track record. Okay name 1 place that is more positive than this? You will not find it. You get what I say with most positive place. Especially in Blockchain culture it is. There is a big negativity on literally every other platform.
They have funding but they don't have community. They just threw the community under the bus. "if not destroy mainstream corporate platforms like youtube and twitch." you mean what Steem is already doing.
What is it that Steem is holding back?
Steem has the best "product" or functionality of any blockchain, I will give you that. But positivity?
That's a really vague statement, and I don't really agree. There are some seriously insane people on steem.
I'm sure there are a lot of limiting factors from trying to mass curate on a blockchain you have no control over.
Steem shouldn't be above criticism. Dlive is leaving for a reason. People get maliciously flagged until they leave the platform. Higher quality content is hard to come by, and extremely low quality content can get overly rewarded depending on your stake and connections. The Haejins and the Bernies of the world are constantly devaluing the steem that actual good content creators are earning, buying, and spending.
I'm not saying I have all the answers but we shouldn't pretend steem is some blissful unicorn fairyland.
lets stop pretending like Steemit is the issue, they should be sued for saying all this bullshit! they are deceitful lying thieves, they built a project with Steemit CEO SP delegation of 2 million and all steemit users curating their daily posts added with the self voting they made thousands and are taking it to a new platform as they could never get streaming correct and that is what they do! they instruct you to download OBS and suck at life. @vimm has come out as better projects always will when you suck at what you do. The shady outfit @dlive held social media contests and used us to blast them all over before doing this.. they are leaving with our content without our permission... scum bags but hey lets stick up for them
the cost of servers/data storage were probably more (a lot more) than the 70k steem they made curating/posting. That means they have been operating at a loss with a pretty revolutionary platform.
With their own blockchain (centered around content) and own coin distribution they will make more money and so will the content creators. And they might be able to compete with the likes of twitch/youtube.
Steem is not centered around content. Steem is centered around power.
they have funding haha 20 million, they have community hahahaha 35 in their discord is huge!!!
Wow I haven't thought about this yet... But I came close to doing the same thing
I am surprised by this move but hold no grudges of any kind, everyone is free to do as they choose without overpowering others - that is part of the anarchic philosophy the underpins the design of Steem.
I will just point out though that whether the points raised in the post here are the real reasons for Dlive leaving Steem or not - I for one am always looking for ways that truly resolve the power imbalance problems on Steem because I see that once they are resolved, the value and attraction of Steem can skyrocket and benefit all users. For those who may not be aware, I have created a Steem Stats site called steem ocean that allows us to examine the voting behaviour of accounts (among other useful stats).. And now, perhaps more importantly, I have realised a way for the steem bid bot problem to be resolved without overpowering anyone - which I have posted about and which I am currently talking with UI developers about introducing to their apps (though not steemit.com since it is not really in active development and my suggestions nearly always get totally ignored anyway). Follow me for more info on this as it evolves, if you like.
Wishing you well.
Thanks for http://SteemOcean.com
Oh I'm shocked ! ! !
Same
I was once the Arnold Nator in high school for Halloween in like 2003, good times.
I am happy to have stopped produced content on Dlive and kept my focus on Dtube. I will not be happy to migrate from the Steem blockchain.
Thank you so much for your contribution to Steem and hope you make Dlive a success there.
Look at my steem power vs yours. Then look at this from the perspective of someone of my account standing. You'll understand then why many of us are actually happy with the change. If you're already giant, you are already happy being giant. The small fry, however, struggles to get anywhere while you can just make a simple shit post and upvote yourself and giggle about how easy that was. Much more difficult for those of us that can't upvote ourselves into success.
You will never win by playing the comparison game. Do you think by reset the game you will get a new system? You are talking like it's easy making more Steem when you are "big" it's not. You still have to work hard and smart like anyone else. You are trying to attack a higher stake holders like they are a special breed. They are just like everyone else. So stop trying to shame people that have more.
Well @phoneinf, I disagree. Have a good look at some of the Whale one line or one word posts and tell me they work just as hard as anyone else. I'll wager that I can find a Whale shitpost with less than 1 word that made more than $20. At the same time I can spend 2 days creating a video and I have very good luck if I make $0.20 This isn't about shaming people that have more; this is about giving folks a fair chance when they deliver quality work.
Focusing on $20 in an upcoming trillion dollar market is like looking at an ant when the sun rises.
That wasn't the point, what we've been saying has completely gone over your head. The issue we're bringing up is effort vs rewards for that effort. Numerous people produce some high end work and it hardly gets seen and makes next to nothing, or literally does make nothing. Meanwhile someone can just log in, type "LOL" and click post and BOOM more income from typing 3 characters than a full day of minimum wage labor.
I have spent 5+ hours on just writing a single post that barely makes a few cents while someone can literally just make a throw away shitpost and score bags. That is the issue. Effort. High effort doesn't get rewarded meanwhile low or no effort gets heavily rewarded.
Why should anyone continue to really put in a ton of effort if all that's going to happen is we'll get ignored and unrewarded while content that takes literally no effort at all rakes everything in?
Why should I spend 66+ hours researching scientific articles and sifting through tons of complex information to write a quality post on the future of mankind as an interstellar species on Steemit when someone else can literally post a no effort post? Is my quality of work as a scientist, software developer, researcher and deaf activist worth less than someone who posts low effort garbage on Steemit?
"I have spent 5+ hours on just writing a single post that barely makes a few cents while someone can literally just make a throw away shitpost and score bags. " The problem is that you expect to get a reward. Which makes you come across as entitled.
I spent 8 months writing hundreds of articles on a website. I barely made $100. I don't go around complain though since I wasn't entitled. I wasn't giving what the market wanted. You have to adjust to the current market place.
"Numerous people produce some high end work and it hardly gets seen and makes next to nothing" this is not true. First of all it takes around 1-2 years of smart and hard work daily before you even get on the map. Steemit has barely existed for 2 years. So there is a lack of perspective here. You need a solid content strategy to succeed and you also need to leverage work + connections + capital. You need to be able to build trust and relationships with people. You need to be both Street Smart + Book Smart.
"someone can just log in, type "LOL" and click post and BOOM more income from typing 3 characters than a full day of minimum wage labor." no it doesn't work like that. That won't be sustainable for long. Majority of stake holders are not doing that either. It's a waste of time trying to look at the minority. And people can do what they want with their stake. That is the cool thing about this place. You don't earn insane amounts of rewards by self upvote. With a few thousand Steem you can get maybe 1-2 Steem by self upvote a day. That is not so much. So it's not unfair for anyone.
"Why should anyone continue to really put in a ton of effort if all that's going to happen is we'll get ignored and unrewarded while content that takes literally no effort at all rakes everything in?" this is because you don't put enough time and energy into commenting and building up connections. Yes it takes a lot of time. But it's the same for everyone else.
If someone invested early then clearly they will have more Stake. They took a risk. If they made a profit they can do what they desire with it. You are in competition with the whole world also. Since we now have globalism. This means you always need to improve your game.
I've literally seen it with my own eyes. =\
Is it really a reset?
@vimm is a pretty good Dlive alternative
I don't like long debate and turn in a cycle. You better expect an income from a normal work that you know in advance the amount of money you are going to receive.
Steemit is the land of opportunity, you adapt to the current system or you are free to go with something that rewards you more with your valuable time.
I was a little sceptical when I saw the headline, but after reading the article, I’m excited for DLive. The one most amazing part for me is the removal of the 7 day widow of earning opportunities. I create evergreen content so this is really exciting.
I am excited they are leaving, a streaming service that does not stream and a dApp that was never decentralized.... smh
RIP Dlive. Im seriously bummed out by this. But business is business. I wish you all the best of luck on your new blockchain. One question, will our "Verified" status carry over? I feel like we just lost a brother in the war...
It sure will :D
Yup, RIP the Dlive thing and also Dtube.
I think this is the best thing DLive could do for themselves and is a brilliant move. STEEM has very serious flaws that were perfectly outlined in this post which are exactly why I have moved away from it. I am very excited for this move and will definitely be joining you guys on the other side of the pond!
Yes man.
I think it's an interesting move. My wife and have were consistently producing content on Steem for a while, but the circle jerking thing really annoyed us both. Eventually, as rewards started to decrease to community members and float to the whales which caused our earnings (mainly hers) to go down, she became disincentivized.
I'm appreciative for the initiative Steem took to tackle content monetization via blockchain, but this monetization issue (steem circle jerk) has been around since the beginning of Steem and was always a major problem. Everyone shouting out that this next update HF20 will solve everything, when Steem has been around for 2+ years with this existing issue, doesn't exactly make me feel that re-assured either.
Will see how both Steem and Lino work out.
Absolutely. You'll notice the top complainers are the whales who are "in the STEEM club" and the followers who circle jerk them for upvotes trying to get into the club.
And the whales are flagging dissenters. They are only proving the point dlive was making with their exit.
What more can you say that's the way the circle goes lol.
You talk about human nature. It has nothing to do with Steem Blockchain. There is no fantasy land where you can go and escape human nature. Some are more selfless some are more greedy. You are only looking at 1 perspective.
People upvote good content and there are great curators out there like @tribesteemup who has been given whale SP delegation as they upvote 200 people daily not circle jerking. That happens but it happens in life you can give up or fight on, all crypto lost tremendous market cap that means steem did also. Too bad you and your wife are giving up, many of us are still here and helping others that need help around the world.
Sorry to hear that. I'm sure your presence here will be sorely missed.
you left yet still here eh? good luck with that shady company and a new platform that has just dlive now...
<p dir="auto"><strong>Do you seriously complain about this? <p dir="auto"><img src="https://images.hive.blog/768x0/https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmY6udW1Sy14a6Zefc3NKFEhYHZW8VqFZpza6Zx8kJ2Uv6/image.png" srcset="https://images.hive.blog/768x0/https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmY6udW1Sy14a6Zefc3NKFEhYHZW8VqFZpza6Zx8kJ2Uv6/image.png 1x, https://images.hive.blog/1536x0/https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmY6udW1Sy14a6Zefc3NKFEhYHZW8VqFZpza6Zx8kJ2Uv6/image.png 2x" /> <ul> <li><span><a href="/@appreciator">@appreciator bidbot <li><span><a href="/@smartsteem">@smartsteem bidbot <li><span><a href="/@rocky1">@rocky1 bidbot <li><span><a href="/@buildawhale">@buildawhale bidbot <li><span><a href="/@upmewhale">@upmewhale bidbot <li><span><a href="/@dlive">@Dlive self-voting with the account with steem delegation <li><span><a href="/@therising">@therising bidbot <li><span><a href="/@boomerang">@boomerang bidbot <li><span><a href="/@booster">@booster bidbot <p dir="auto"><strong>nothing more to say...However, the current economic model of Steem incentivizes large Steem holders to continuously upvote their own content and other creators who specifically support their content. This creates an ecosystem where a content’s true value can't be recognized or be fairly rewarded. Community members who are not "privileged" enough to be a part of these groups with large voting power are therefore penalized financially.My thoughs.... Dlive always glitched out on my live streams. Not sure if it will do well without the vast users on steemit. Now, I hope a group of devs addresses this hole and makes a better streaming service for steemit. When we didn't have Dlive we were strong, so no worries here :)
Enjoy
You will never walk alone @dlive , we created this community together. We knew that this world was open for improvement as well as enternainment that's why never give up. #DLiveForever
#dlivesucks #dlivearethieves
I hope that will be better for DLive and content creators. Also thanks to Steem for everything. #InDLiveWeTrust
It will be better now that dlive is leaving we can have the deceitful shenanigans halted finally! A streaming platform that does not stream yet instructs you to download OBS. They just held many contests to blast them on social media using us all! now they are leaving with our content... in dlive you trust? not me... they had 2 million SP delegation from Steemit CEO to build their project, they are scum bag thieves.
:(
I may continue to post on Dlive too, unless if they try to steal my Steem money.
You friggin disgust me.
Oh man .. no trust in the power of steem anymore? These are some bad news :( bye-bye dlive - hello dtube stream