If it gives you any comfort, very few deplorables believe the Russians had an impact on the election and can quickly quote stories to you about the Obama administration interfering in the Israeli election.
It is only the sycophants in the Main Stream Media and the Deep State the believe it.
And the more they squeal about it - the less us plain folk believe it.
The masses are not as gullible as they would like to believe.
Lefties, progressives, and socialists don't buy it either. I think the only people who do are the hardline Democrats, the partisan fools so inundated with propaganda that they think Hillary Clinton is actually good.
If the people pushing the meddling narrative did not hate Trump so viscerally they would regard the cheap ass shitposting by the indicted Russians as nothing of importance. But hatred bordering on neurosis exaggerates everything out of all proportion. So a narrative in an indictment (which is not even proof, but an assertion from a prosecutor) becomes the moral equivalent of Pearl Harbor or 911. As it is said, most grand juries will indict a ham sandwich. But the fanaticism of the Trump haters destroys all sense of moderation and leads to constant histrionics. Why people hate Trump this much remains a mystery. There is much to critique and dislike about Trump, as there is about any president, and Caitlin has not held back in her critique of Trump. I found much lacking in Obama and much much more in W. But hate was not my reaction. Trump haters seem to believe that there are two attitudes we can take about a president. One is incandescent hatred and the other is a reasoned critique. Trump gets the former for no clear reason and now W is being nicely rehabilitated into the latter category. This is especially puzzling when many of these people (especially in the media) formerly execrated W. And he deserved much of the strong criticism, especially for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. So far Trump has not initiated any wars, but he has negligently allowed legacy wars from Obama to fester on. He promised otherwise.
None of us is able to figure out why another person has such strong feelings about something, except when we know that they have been greatly slighted in some way. A cheated on spouse can exhibit such hatred. At that point the slightest gesture or word from the cheater is experienced like a blow to the face. So all things become exaggerated beyond reason. The only explanation for the heightened feelings of hate about Trump may be the fact that so many people had put all their political faith and hope in Hillary being elected. Yet, even if you think Hillary is a fine politician and a great leader, she’s not Mother Theresa. She’s a corruptible politician and a flawed human being like the rest of her profession. Investing such depths of emotion and trust into any frail human being is to lose your own humanity.
And now we’re facing ever increasing calls to punish Russia in some way. But we forget that this is not a schoolyard game. It is an invitation to hell on earth. Obama, in spite of his shortcomings, took a measured approach to Russia. And similarly, Putin and Russia have taken a measured approach to setbacks in Syria. I think Trump will resist reacting to this alleged provocation from Russia. But unfortunately many will allow their hatred of Trump to permit them to demand the unthinkable, hot conflict with Russia.
In the movie, Hunt for Red October, the hothead sub captain removes the timers from the torpedo fuses against all the advice of his lieutenants. This ploy fails and the torpedoes return to home in on their own sub. His lieutenant says something like, "you arrogant bastard, you’ve killed us all".
Let us hope we don’t have to say the same thing to our Trump hating friends.
I’ve said before, but I always get the feeling that we see these self-serving psychos as somehow misbehaving and we get all upset. Instead I feel we should expect 100% that this is what they will do and plan accordingly. Create a solution that factors in this reality. In today’s world “Might makes Right” and that is just the way it is. I do have a solution that considers this, I’m just having a hard time getting anybody to listen. They are all too busy being upset. https://steemit.com/collective-intelligence/@cmw/decentralized-thought
Any idea how to get there and also make this work in Europe and the rest of the world?
What can I do? I'll take the first step, and i hope others will follow to make more steps, Once we have a bunch of people making that first step, then we can start walking together, right?
Stick a few meme's on a stick, make some noise, rattle some cages. Etc. Making history the old style...
order a box of whistles to blow on as a noise of respect to all the whistle blowers?
Not sure how to get the ball rolling to be honest. We are going that direction. I just hope we don’t run out of time. I have some ideas in my head. After posting a reply to you the other day I started thinking how asking questions is always an approach that seems practical. It made me consider, what if we had what I would call a question field, where we worked together to field every question we could think of, laid them all out. Then used those as the elements in constructing a more clear picture. Today people work from “ideas” and then try to find data or arguments to support their ideas. Which is not always honest and neglects many honest “questions”:. I guess the first step is just changing the mindset from “lets expose what they are doing” to “how we can counter what they are doing in a more advanced 21st century way.” You will have to start with a bag phone whatever you do, but that is ok.
When a man on the street picks your pocket and you catch him, then what happens with that guy?
Now someone caught a much bigger gang of thieves in the act. Is that a reason to demand less?
If they can get away with this bullshit then that will be the end of the USA alltogether.
They are getting away for MANY years with crimes that destroyed many peoples lives.
So if they find this a joke, then it's even worse. The only way to save this planet is to turn the table on them. Turning the table is a solution that worked very well in the middle ages, and since they still live by 'the book' of those middle ages. this may actually work.
If She would ever run a little book shop in the way she was trying to run the gov. THAT would be weird.
Run on the street with 2 machine guns drag people in , make them buy books they dn't even want to read, push them back out the door and shoot them anyway.
O, and then collect tax on everything they owned
That will be one popular bookshop, right?
People will still stand in line to buy her books? They did not so long ago..
Creepy
Agree and have been saying similar for some time. As has this smartypants....
'Half the world is cracking up in laughter. The United States doesn’t just interfere in elections. It overthrows governments it doesn’t like, institutes military dictatorships. Simply in the case of Russia alone—it’s the least of it—the U.S. government, under Clinton, intervened quite blatantly and openly, then tried to conceal it, to get their man Yeltsin in, in all sorts of ways. So, this, as I say, it’s considered—it’s turning the United States, again, into a laughingstock in the world.' - Noam Chomsky
"If Americans don't like election meddling, they need to demand that their government stops doing it."
AND Stop lobbysts meddeling in society by the use of corporate greed is also meddling in election. But then trough a backdoor.
BTW I just wrore an article about a Dutch whistleblower in the 80's who managed to mobilize the entire country. I hope it can inspire a few people to take this to a higher level alltogether.
Awesome post.
If it gives you any comfort, very few deplorables believe the Russians had an impact on the election and can quickly quote stories to you about the Obama administration interfering in the Israeli election.
It is only the sycophants in the Main Stream Media and the Deep State the believe it.
And the more they squeal about it - the less us plain folk believe it.
The masses are not as gullible as they would like to believe.
Lefties, progressives, and socialists don't buy it either. I think the only people who do are the hardline Democrats, the partisan fools so inundated with propaganda that they think Hillary Clinton is actually good.
I think you are right.
If the people pushing the meddling narrative did not hate Trump so viscerally they would regard the cheap ass shitposting by the indicted Russians as nothing of importance. But hatred bordering on neurosis exaggerates everything out of all proportion. So a narrative in an indictment (which is not even proof, but an assertion from a prosecutor) becomes the moral equivalent of Pearl Harbor or 911. As it is said, most grand juries will indict a ham sandwich. But the fanaticism of the Trump haters destroys all sense of moderation and leads to constant histrionics. Why people hate Trump this much remains a mystery. There is much to critique and dislike about Trump, as there is about any president, and Caitlin has not held back in her critique of Trump. I found much lacking in Obama and much much more in W. But hate was not my reaction. Trump haters seem to believe that there are two attitudes we can take about a president. One is incandescent hatred and the other is a reasoned critique. Trump gets the former for no clear reason and now W is being nicely rehabilitated into the latter category. This is especially puzzling when many of these people (especially in the media) formerly execrated W. And he deserved much of the strong criticism, especially for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. So far Trump has not initiated any wars, but he has negligently allowed legacy wars from Obama to fester on. He promised otherwise.
None of us is able to figure out why another person has such strong feelings about something, except when we know that they have been greatly slighted in some way. A cheated on spouse can exhibit such hatred. At that point the slightest gesture or word from the cheater is experienced like a blow to the face. So all things become exaggerated beyond reason. The only explanation for the heightened feelings of hate about Trump may be the fact that so many people had put all their political faith and hope in Hillary being elected. Yet, even if you think Hillary is a fine politician and a great leader, she’s not Mother Theresa. She’s a corruptible politician and a flawed human being like the rest of her profession. Investing such depths of emotion and trust into any frail human being is to lose your own humanity.
And now we’re facing ever increasing calls to punish Russia in some way. But we forget that this is not a schoolyard game. It is an invitation to hell on earth. Obama, in spite of his shortcomings, took a measured approach to Russia. And similarly, Putin and Russia have taken a measured approach to setbacks in Syria. I think Trump will resist reacting to this alleged provocation from Russia. But unfortunately many will allow their hatred of Trump to permit them to demand the unthinkable, hot conflict with Russia.
In the movie, Hunt for Red October, the hothead sub captain removes the timers from the torpedo fuses against all the advice of his lieutenants. This ploy fails and the torpedoes return to home in on their own sub. His lieutenant says something like, "you arrogant bastard, you’ve killed us all".
Let us hope we don’t have to say the same thing to our Trump hating friends.
Damned straight! This will be my first Steemit to Facebook share. Congrats!
I’ve said before, but I always get the feeling that we see these self-serving psychos as somehow misbehaving and we get all upset. Instead I feel we should expect 100% that this is what they will do and plan accordingly. Create a solution that factors in this reality. In today’s world “Might makes Right” and that is just the way it is. I do have a solution that considers this, I’m just having a hard time getting anybody to listen. They are all too busy being upset. https://steemit.com/collective-intelligence/@cmw/decentralized-thought
Any idea how to get there and also make this work in Europe and the rest of the world?
What can I do? I'll take the first step, and i hope others will follow to make more steps, Once we have a bunch of people making that first step, then we can start walking together, right?
Stick a few meme's on a stick, make some noise, rattle some cages. Etc. Making history the old style...
order a box of whistles to blow on as a noise of respect to all the whistle blowers?
Not sure how to get the ball rolling to be honest. We are going that direction. I just hope we don’t run out of time. I have some ideas in my head. After posting a reply to you the other day I started thinking how asking questions is always an approach that seems practical. It made me consider, what if we had what I would call a question field, where we worked together to field every question we could think of, laid them all out. Then used those as the elements in constructing a more clear picture. Today people work from “ideas” and then try to find data or arguments to support their ideas. Which is not always honest and neglects many honest “questions”:. I guess the first step is just changing the mindset from “lets expose what they are doing” to “how we can counter what they are doing in a more advanced 21st century way.” You will have to start with a bag phone whatever you do, but that is ok.
nice post. i like your post to much. thanks for share
Meh, it's all just a joke to them. Everything is tied to their investments and retirement pensions....The gravy train rolls on.
When a man on the street picks your pocket and you catch him, then what happens with that guy?
Now someone caught a much bigger gang of thieves in the act. Is that a reason to demand less?
If they can get away with this bullshit then that will be the end of the USA alltogether.
They are getting away for MANY years with crimes that destroyed many peoples lives.
So if they find this a joke, then it's even worse. The only way to save this planet is to turn the table on them. Turning the table is a solution that worked very well in the middle ages, and since they still live by 'the book' of those middle ages. this may actually work.
Honestly, Hillary couldn't stand Trump's experience leading big projects. Period
If She would ever run a little book shop in the way she was trying to run the gov. THAT would be weird.
Run on the street with 2 machine guns drag people in , make them buy books they dn't even want to read, push them back out the door and shoot them anyway.
O, and then collect tax on everything they owned
That will be one popular bookshop, right?
People will still stand in line to buy her books? They did not so long ago..
Creepy
Agree and have been saying similar for some time. As has this smartypants....
'Half the world is cracking up in laughter. The United States doesn’t just interfere in elections. It overthrows governments it doesn’t like, institutes military dictatorships. Simply in the case of Russia alone—it’s the least of it—the U.S. government, under Clinton, intervened quite blatantly and openly, then tried to conceal it, to get their man Yeltsin in, in all sorts of ways. So, this, as I say, it’s considered—it’s turning the United States, again, into a laughingstock in the world.' - Noam Chomsky
Great piece. Found the link on the No Agenda Show facebook group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/306336673075444/)
"If Americans don't like election meddling, they need to demand that their government stops doing it."
AND Stop lobbysts meddeling in society by the use of corporate greed is also meddling in election. But then trough a backdoor.
BTW I just wrore an article about a Dutch whistleblower in the 80's who managed to mobilize the entire country. I hope it can inspire a few people to take this to a higher level alltogether.
@bifilarcoil.