Using my witness votes
3 years ago in #witness by dynamicgreentk (69)
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Hi. I don't downvote anyone at the moment unless they have maliciously downvoted me or are involved in blatantly fraudulent or damaging behaviour. I am not a top witness though, so I don't have enough HP to make much of a dent in any case.
Downvoting helps to solve some regulation problems on the network. The main problem is that most of the mechanisms of hive are not well explained to end users and so certain features can seem unfair or unfriendly when, in truth, a very large number people have thought and discussed them for a very long time - concluding that improving them significantly is not a simple matter. I strongly prefer designers and devs to focus on education and simplification of communicating info on the hive sites before any underlying mechanics are adjusted. You can't solve a problem of misunderstanding complexity by shifting around things that are inherently complex.
If whales are downvoting posts without a valid reason then it is a negative for the whole network - it is for the entire network to engage with them to resolve the issue. The network has always been designed with the premise that 'bad actors' will be limited in their ability to do harm because they themselves will lose money if their stake is devalued as a result. Therefore, the main risks are under-education regarding best practices and also the potential for billionaires to come in and perform a hostile takeover, as occurred with Steem already.
Hive.io is an informational portal, not really a functioning app - it should be maintained and kept fresh in order to provide new users with a place to engage with the network from a top-level position, rather than them just ending up using one of the Hive powered UIs without really understanding what Hive is.
I should had been more clear but when I said Hive.io I meant the broader family of front ends that represent the social media aspect but still that is like 10% of Hive.io
So yeah. Main point is when home dude living in a van making high quality content for multiple video platforms while promoting Hive gets down voted while using @threespeak its like why would a top 20 witness(es) do that? And say say something random like rewards pool foo and im not going explain myself. Its confusing and discouraging. Also thanks you for your response!
The front ends must continue to evolve, absolutely.
Any witness acting in the way you describe is clearly unintelligent and lack understanding of marketing or psychology. The network is designed to allow the community to downvote people who act in such ways, but that requires their own engagement, plus it also requires decentralisation of stake among witness voters such that the top 20 is not held in place by a small number of people who aren't really interested in the right logic to expand the network.
Well I agree but as I meditate on it I figure these are early adopters. True visionaries. Yeah this person has this story or that but they are the celestials and if they feel the need turn the rewards pool into a communistic pool that is interesting and reflective of the times but does in my opinion hamper growth.
Is there a long term plan or reason for this I wonder? I just would like to know is all. Im no visionary. Im just some pot smoking balding white dude in America trying to blog, make crypto and keep making friends worldwide.
Its the 18 union member from Vegas thing that has me more outspoken than I should be.
Be careful doing big tags lists like this.. Some folks will smoke you for this.
...as they should.
lol, yeah no fucking shit eh?
Figured I'd give them a heads up before going full war mode on em.. Tis only fair. :D
Short answer: No.
Longer answer:
Referring to hive.io is wrong. (it's not "broader family of front-ends" and it's not in beta AFAICT)
Voting for content has nothing to do with witness duties, and being a witness is irrelevant for that matter.
Witness job is to ensure security and reliability of the Hive.
Sure, witnesses are also users, and with their user hats on they vote for content.
Usually up, sometimes down.
In most cases it means nothing more than: "IMHO that should be rewarded more/less."
It's important to use votes wisely, because it's all about our common good: the reward pool, and reaching consensus on its allocation.
Any choice for any reason is valid. Others are free to disagree.
Hive as the social media aspect. I made that clear in previous comments. I could edit the posts again to tag everyone.
If you think casting large downvotes as a top witness doesn't impact growth or sends more than just a cute message of I politely disagree, than you are disconnected from the people and dont take your position seriously enough to understand your votes whether upvotes or downvotes do a lot to encourage or discourage account/platform growth
Isn't it like hmm why did a few witnesses representing 100s of thousands of people vote me down me or their curation project with no comment or reasoning. Just eh we dont like you taking from the rewards pool. you go.
Totally worth it to continue to develop Hive and I hand out a flag every now and again but not without warrant. The last one I did was a spammer that was using multiple accounts to post the same content and try to suck out extra rewards. I think 'reward disagreement' is bullshit when some whales come along and dv a post because they think it's worth too much on decent authors, but do see value in having downvotes to mitigate the rewards that go to spammers, plagiarists and hate speech content.
And if more content creators that are from the alternative communities on YouTube and bitchute, we should worry that some of these content creators attract commenters that will say things that aren't necessarily false but are grossly racist in terms of the hate and slang used when making the comments in particular towards a country in the Middle East. If we want to protect hive we should have to be able to use downvotes on trolly remarks that are, I'd hate to say it, free speech if not to keep Voldemort from entering our Arena. Just wanted to acknowledge there is and will be used for them. Your commentary allowed for me to stay that.
I loved your response and thank you!
Your public comment in regards to rewards pool excuses is awesome. I appreciate that too!
Just unfortunate it is abused sometimes. I was put n some guys just myself and was given no reason. It just stoped but it was original content. Everything downvotes for weeks. No reason ever given. I understand it’s important for spam or real issue. But just unfortunate it’s abused with no reason given sometimes.
Of course no one likes downvotes, but spam posts should be excluded. But i see many whales fighting with each other by downvote, i don't understand why they do that
It happens and that is a whole different conversation. It just concerns me for the above reasons. But there is a lot of fun over at @splinterlands . Its probably part of why they have 85% of the blockchain engagement.
Did you list all them by your hand or by robot? thats a lot of suggestions for me because i don't know which tag to use haha. Everyone has the right to like or dislike a certain event or story. And dislike = downvote, however witnesses shouldn't downvote someone else's post and make someone lose full of money in that post (unless it's a spam or plagiarized post). I want to write more about my thoughts but my English is limited :''(Hive should be improved anyway, because posts do not generate passive income. Wish Hive like Youtube, Affiliate marketing, anyone who watches my articles, I will have income
On the peakd front end there is an affiliate link if your trying to express the need for it...
Oh geez this is a old list. Im tired. I had to retag. Im tired been a long day sorry.
My view is that every stakeholder can use their stake however they want. Consensus on rewards is based on all the upvotes and downvotes that a post receives from all the participating stakeholders. If a stakeholder wants to use their stake to downvote content they do not believe should be getting rewarded, that is 100% within their right.
I don't use Hive.io, so I don't really have an opinion on that. I use peakd.com.
I guess you didn't take time to read the other comments here and your not being facetious with your remarks. But your overall point is noted thank you for your time!
No, I did not read any of the other replies. I just saw you pinged me and asked me a question, so I provided my reply :)
I appreciate you stopping by here and voicing your public opinion here.
I dont think I really got a heartfelt response from you on the matter but nonetheless you stopped by and I cant ignore that and cant hold politics too much over your head.
Your node game. Do you feel good about? Do you have back ups? You got my vote if so.
You were once ranked higher as a witness if I recall. What happened? Inactivity? Or does my memory serve me wrong?
I am currently a backup witness, so I only have a single node running. I have a failover application running though that will automatically disable my witness (so I stop missing blocks) and send an alert to my cell phone if I ever miss 3 blocks which would be an indication of a server/node issue. It is monitoring 24x7.
Yes, I was one of the top witnesses for around 2 years. I was against freezing Steemit's stake when Justin Sun took over. I was the only one (out of 20) who voted against that, and I was voted out as a result.
I wrote a long drawn-out post about it if you are interested in reading my views at the time :)
https://peakd.com/witness-category/@timcliff/witness-update-running-my-own-softfork-20-3
Even though the way things played out clearly show that he was a bad actor, I still stand by my decision. I still do not believe the witnesses should freeze user's funds.
I am glad that we forked away and left Justin/Tron/Steemit behind. That was 100% the right move in my opinion.
So you stand strong behind your choices. I love that! Standing up for what you believe is right its a fundamental thing that more people should do! I will read your post but still vote for you! Thank you for your time!
why @ me?
want downvotes?
When you say hive.io do you mean hive.blog?
Yes I know its pretty funny. I could retag everyone by editing the posts but if people cant read the comments and want to worry more about semantics than the point than fine.
Just thought I'd clarify. Best to leave your post unedited in that case
It is difficult for me to comment on such a post; this requires practical experience and far from basic blockchain skills. Although I could be wrong. Great post. Thanks.
I think we are still at the beginning of this journey in regards to social media and blockchain. There is plenty of room for development.
I use Peakd on the first day and then I discover that ecency is very fantastic where I can earn points to boost my post 😃. I use both apps at the same time and am pretty happy with them.
Downvote? Well, I don't like it if I don't like someone's content I just ignore it. :))
Downvoting is one of the features hive has so everyone is entitled to use them. To what extent is more the thing, but that a whole other story.
I am a peakd girl so I don’t know about hive.io
These kind of 'witness interviews' were popular on Steem but I'm not seeing the need for them on Hive. On Hive everyone needs to do their share to contribute as a witness and as a stakeholder as there's no central company to get what needs to be done done. Witnesses contribute what they can and despite what anyone personally thinks of downvotes, upvotes, curation or any other function, they will all decide on what's best for Hive. But to contradict myself, I do get that many witnesses are busy with various deliverables and don't get a chance to communicate witness updates as they used to. That's also the nature of Hive. There's a lot of work.
Downvotes have a use and they belong as part of Hive. I get them a lot. I also give them out for plagiarism, fraud, ID theft, phishing, botnet exploitation and other things in scope for Hivewatchers. The purpose is to return illicitly gained rewards to the pool, from which they can be reassigned to users who care about Hive instead of trying to lie and exploit it. I don't downvote people who randomly message me with their posts, link their posts from chats, or tag me. I also don't downvote for content disagreement reasons or for any reason outside of the HW scope and I upvote only for content quality reasons. I don't use trails although once every few years my account may help test a curation algorithm for a week or two.
The problem with downvotes in my opinion isn't their existence but how they've been used in the past. They're meant to evaluate content but over the years all anyone can think of is either flag wars or messages that people "deserve" rewards (usually used in an argument on behalf of someone likable, even if others have much better content).
We're all Hive reps. You're a rep as much as any witness. Any user who cares for the Hive ecosystem should do their best to represent.
Hive.io is the information site we've got up. We should just call ourselves 'Hive'. Not sure what you mean by " the future development of Hive.io but not the Hive blockchain".
I meant Hive as a social media aspect. Where it is the face of our currency. Thanks for not getting to hung up on hive.io
Hivewatchers had recently made it known that flag for political reasons and stirred up more trouble from them than needed. After the Walden thing who can trust them or after their openly discussed recent political downvoting rant on a deepdives post.
If I remember correctly you run backups to the backs right for the nodes. Its an impressive setup? Maybe my memory serves me wrong. It does that.
But I am not a big Hivewatchers fan due to their recent political ramblings and down votes based on political views and most importantly with how they handled Walden. So its a shame you work for them or do work for them rather. Just my opinion.
Hivewatchers can't flag for political reasons. That's just not possible with the way the system works, it cannot happen because there are technical controls in place to prevent going outside the scope. For Hiveatchers to comment or flag a post must be in the system. The system only accepts a few categories, mainly to do with plagiarism and fraud. There is no 'other' category. What actually happened is one of the members forgot to log out of the account. He wrote the reply to the post using Hivewatchers rather than his own account. That was caught quickly but some people ran with it. Walden was never a member, he was part of the Jaguar Force project. He's not around anymore.
Yeah I run my node, my backups, and mostly servers for communication tools like the Hive fediverse portal, Hive developer teamworking chat, an onboarding page and the like (Hive newsletter infrastructure in place but not public yet). I mostly deal with communication. I also manage the 'hiveblocks' Twitter and some others along those lines. Typically I co-write things for Hive such as our whitepaper, some articles, the quotes we use for overviews, AMAs and the like. Lately I mostly deal with listing/partnership type matters. There's also personal projects but all in all it can be summed up as maybe about 4 hours of solid work a day depending on what's going on. Now that we got our pace after a year starting out it's alright.
He wrote all the replys on this post?
https://peakd.com/proofofbrain/@regenerette/hive-owned-by-companies-and
This is a case of a user who created a lot of accounts, some with ID theft, and got caught many times. They want to be treated better than other users. This is not uncommon.
The comment section. Did you read it?
I just woke up. (but yeah I went over it)
And correct me if im wrong but are you marginalizing what Walden was accused of doing? I had so many conversations with, who was it patrice and thought it was you, about how Walden and his questionable actions were impacting members in my group and outside of it. Yall said he couldnt be controlled. That steemcleaners could control almost all content except for Waldens😄 It dragged on for over a year dude.
Myself and others were left unsure who Walden really was, why he was a steemcleaner admin even while he didn't deny the accusations and why he couldn't be touched.
At a certain point what everyone was being told was too shove it Walden has freedom of speech and he can harasses who he wants? It was all weird, more than one accusation, happened several times over a year period and no denials.
I wasnt sure what kind of weird circus act Walden was or if that was even a dude. Its could had been another woman for all anyone knew.
Looooong story short. The blockchain does not need a police force especially since we are no longer under the illusion that we are trying to compete with medium or Facebook. Can you in the last 5 Years point to a court case where someone sued a steemit user or Hive user for a improper photo source or cross-promoting across platforms? Why does a bunch of ancap's need a police force to correct spelling and enforce invisible rules that are not there.
Walden was operating on his own, similarly how SFR and other services work on their own. Since we don't deal with any content outside the scope there isn't much we can do except for ban from our Discord which was done.
We had numerous DMCA cases, typically one every few weeks.
Really? Could you point to information on the DMCA cases? I just re read the comments a I also was just waking up.
I would really enjoy educating myself on these DMCA cases. I'd imagine there are posts written about them or something.
I would then support hivewatchers with such information and even participate in helping content creators I follow or stumble upon become better educated on past precedent regarding court cases or rulings by some authority.
Thanks again for your time!
I handled a lot of the queries for them back on Steem before pointing them to the proper channels but that was on the old chat and that's gone. There's no public record of these (but let me think if any come to mind that were posted about for some reason) because they're usually inquiries and then emailed. Usually they were people who need to make money off their content (artists, writers, photographers) and regularly search for their work online.
Not surprisingly but people don't want to make accounts when they're here to ask what to do about someone impersonating them or stealing their work.
https://steemcn.herokuapp.com/flagging-culture/@fyrstikken/steem-another-police-state
Still resonates today
I'm not interested in reading Fyrstikken posts about Steem which was run to the ground and destroyed by Ned.
Also, to be clear, I appreciate your engagement here and honest attempt to voice your public opinion on the matter and disclosing your affiliated work with an organization that supports down votes.
I have specific grievances or rather concerns about certain situations that occured with steemwatchers and how there is no oversight or regulation other than internal mechanisms much like modern day police departments. But that isn't the point necessarily about the post so ill digress...
Before I vote for you as a witnesses again I want to be sure that my memory serves me correctly or if this is still true... Do you and BTC work together to provide amazing work maintaining your nodes with backups? I always loved your passion and energy for such an endeavor.
Having something you stand for and being able to stand for it is just as important to me and I appreciate your valuable time here on this post.
Yes that's still true of course. You don't have to vote for me. I don't reply here because of that but because you tagged me with a question.
Engagement and your valuable time to respond to me with respect even with my aggressive nature and while misstating Hive.io etc means a lot.
I asked a honest question. You came and responded multiple timed and clear stand behind what your believe in.
So that and node maintenance is important to me. So thank you!
Unfortunately there are accounts with millions plus hive power who do this on there own. It has same effect as it’s often regular attack on every post. I think it does just as much damage as actions done officially.