One of the scariest things is when people beg their governments to disarm the population.
So, you only want the corrupt government people to have the power then?
To be fair... I'm sure those kinds of individuals would love it if there were zero guns and no one had any, but that's extremely unlikely and I don't really see anyone trying to disarm the government...? No, just the regular/common people it seems...?
What about all the bombs that have been dropped slaughtering millions of innocent people over the last few decades alone? What... You want to give our ability to defend ourselves to those same people who are mass murdering millions of innocent people around the world? Hmm...
I don't see barely anyone talking about that... Our governments have ruthlessly murdered way more children than all of the school shooters combined likely ever will.
They drop bombs on schools, weddings, hospitals, etc... But, it's crickets when it comes to people talking about that.
It's always so weird to me how the masses tend to trust the most sociopathic psychopathic corrupt dishonest megalomaniacs, but they don't even trust their own neighbors or themselves.
The people who do this are so disconnected from what's going on in the world that the government can use them like pawns, puppets or tools to progress their vicious agenda, meanwhile demonizing regular people who are just trying to simply protect themselves and their family.
It's worth mentioning that the general common sorts of people who want to control or ban guns are usually coming from a place of wanting to help others and prevent needless death and injury, so it's important to remember that.
Simultaneously though it's important to zoom out a bit and look at the bigger picture and unfortunately sometimes that's not possible if you get all your information from the mainstream media and don't spend years of your life passionately investigating what's truly going on to the best of your ability using ALL available sources and then using critical thinking to come to your own conclusions instead of just being spoon fed your beliefs.
No amount of bullying or harm done to you justifies taking that out on innocent people. And... Maybe it would be helpful to address the basic idol worship when it comes to violence in movies, video games and music and especially when it comes to the way our cultures and governments work in regard to forcing their ways violently on others and murdering hundreds of millions of people over the years or the ways in which we destroy the environment and animals instead of learning to live in peace and harmony.
PS, if you trust government so much to control so much perhaps you should do some research on the word "Democide".
I think we've had this discussion before... but the people who want to ban guns to stop children being murdered also want the Government to stop bombing weddings, etc in other countries.
You might not hear a lot about it, but I know a ton of people who very loudly oppose such Government actions... and they also loudly oppose kids getting killed in their classrooms.
Personally, I think about it as a mitigation of likely risk:
I don't know the answers to these questions, but I think for most people in the US, the chance of their child being killed by a gun feels far more likely than the other two options, even if they are actually tiny percentages in all cases (although we seem to be getting to a point where some younger people are survivors of multiple attacks, which is just horrific.)
Yeah we don't need to go over it again. But, I have a pretty diverse list of friends on my other social media who speak out about all kinds of stuff and I barely ever see that so that is my personal experience which you can not discount.
Furthermore, when was the last time any of the mainstream media news channel reported on those kinds of things like truthfully? None of the main news channels ever talk about that kind of stuff or show the footage or dead bodies or any of it... They both essentially advocate for the same policies and this is known as the "Military Industrial Complex" you may want to do some research on that term if you have trouble understanding the concept of why the military can go around the world mass murdering millions like they do, because neither political party makes any meaningful resistance and they mostly apologize for and try to continue the wars as much as they can.
In response to the rest of what you said, if you go too far in attempting to take away people's guns or restrict the kind of ammo they can use or modifications you will cause many more deaths by creating a civil war which would not only be immensely costly in many ways it would bring a major halt to the economy which would cause even more death and suffering.
That's the reason it hasn't happened yet in my opinion and that is why it likely won't ever happen as long as there are still people here who believe in true self defense and freedom in an ethical manner.
I would definitely not discount your experience. If your friends aren't talking about government injustice but they are talking about ending gun violence, I totally believe you.
The thing is... it's not a binary issue.
It feels like you're trying to deflect about from the horrors of school shootings by pointing out something else that is also horrific.
I don't think people should have to wait until the US Military warmongering issue is solved before tackling gun violence in schools. Both issues should be solved, and the gun violence issue seems easier to solve because it's US citizens being shot. There isn't defense contractor lobbyists or anything getting in the way, it's purely the NRA.
I definitely think both issues should be looked at... but I can totally understand people concentrating on mass shootings because it is obviously so close to home.
What would it take for you to agree to common sense gun control laws? How many children would you want to see murdered before you would change your mind on this?
I don't agree with you that there would be a civil war if there were gun restrictions in place. The reason I don't agree is that it already happened and there was no civil war.
Mass shootings fell after the US 1994 Assault Weapons Ban. There was no civil war, but there was a significant reduction in gun deaths. It lasted until 2004 when it wasn't renewed and gun deaths went up again.
There would not be a civil war, or more death/suffering or a major halt to the economy because most gun owners in the US agree common sense gun laws are desperately needed:
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The only thing standing in the way is the NRA.
No one is trying to take away all the guns in America, just the ones that can kill 30 people in milliseconds.
I don't believe people really want them just in case the US government rises up against the US people. There are plenty of checks and balances to prevent that. I think it's just an argument used by people who like their toys and don't care who many children are killed in the classrooms.
Well said. Governments as collective consciousnesses are ultimately paranoid of "death" and tend to oppress the people they claim to serve. And that oppression always tends towards more and more violence up to torture and murder. Without a counterbalance of citizens' effective self-defense, governments always cease to serve the people that created them. That's the reason for the Second Amendment that always seems to be conveniently forgotten. Innocent people being murdered is tragic, but not tragic on the same scale as living under the boot of a totalitarian government.
I believe that's the backburner reason for the self-destructive push from those who want to remove our natural rights, including their own, to self-defense.
Closer to the front burner is what I believe a cynical effort to drive demographics into one political party's favor, so they can have a permanent political hold over the geographic districts. Both parties seem to have shifted to this polarizing strategy using different issues, not to mention being helped along by simplistic, idiotic, binary concepts being shoved on us by mass media, ie "red states" etc.
And the excuse is always "Think of the children" and an appeal to safety. Ben Franklin said it best: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Thanks buddy. Well said to you as well.
Yeah... It's quite tragic, on top of how horrible the crimes are then it's politicized afterwards to such partisan manner within the political structure to try to gain even more power and cause more division among people... Or at least appearly partisan from the outside, from the inside they seem more like sort of a gang with more privilege than the rest of us to do things we could never legally do to others which creates quite a hypocrisy. But, I guess the governments of the world aren't shy when it comes to that, they just pretend it doesn't exist for the most part.