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It seems the carnivore diet is becoming more prominent of late and from the experiences of those who have taken to it, it's turned their lives around, often from chronic and life threatening illnesses. But why is this, when until fairly recently people thrived on mixed diets with plenty of plant foods in them? We never had the levels of chronic metabolic and autoimmune issues we have today. Why is a carnivore diet proving so effective for some of the worst cases? Even those who are experiencing these improvements don't really understand it, particularly as we're so often being told that red meat is bad for us. It's often indicated as a culprit in increasing heart disease and cancer, yet these are some of the things that people are apparently healing from with this diet.
What's Happening to our Guts
I believe the clues to why this diet is working so well for some are likely within the gut. In recent years we've been hearing more and more about the gut microbiome and it's importance in our immune system. They're actually discovering that it also communicates with our brain and may very well interact with and affect how our entire body works from hormone production to metabolism. But let's take a step back to its basic functions to look at where things might be going wrong.
A healthy small intestine has no microbiome, this should only be in the large intestine. Therefore when food comes through from the stomach into the small intestine only easily digested foods can be absorbed into the body at this point. Meats and animal products are fairly easily absorbed here while whole plant foods aren't as easily digested so they move on into the large intestine where the microbiome can start feeding on them and breaking them down for us to then absorb.
If we've got a good, healthy microbiome then all is well and good and we shouldn't experience many issues. Unfortunately, for the last half a century or more this bacterial colony in our guts has been under attack. The introduction of broad spectrum antibiotics exposed us to antibiotics that didn't discriminate good from bad bacteria. Artificial sweeteners kill our gut microbes, manmade emulsifiers damage our gut mucosal lining and ultra processed foods feed and encourage the multiplication of bacteria that cause harm rather than health to our bodies. It doesn't stop there either because even pesticides and herbicides kill our gut bacteria and then there's the harm that plastics and other toxins we can no longer avoid completely in our day to day lives do.
In addition to assisting the digestion of food the gut microbiome helps to protect the cell wall of the gut by producing that mucosal lining. The cell wall itself is just one cell thick and therefore very easily damaged if exposed. Some plant defensive compounds, such as lectins, will damage this exposed cell wall. The fact that we developed a microbiome is what made us more capable of eating plants, coping with their defensive toxins and able to adapt to such a wide range of climates. Some cultures eat plants almost exclusively and have thrived, until they encountered the modern western diet.
Ultimately, damage to the gut cell wall leads to leaky gut which is at the root of most chronic diseases, particularly autoimmune ones. After all the main part of the immune system sits on the other side of this wall ready to try and repair any breaches which will occasionally happen even with a healthy gut. It's bound to get overwhelmed with constant breaches, however, and go over active.
The Pros and Cons of Carnivore
With this information in the background I set out to look at the for and against arguments of eating an only meat diet.
The biggest argument for eating meat is that its nutrients are in a form that are easy to digest and they are in a form that our bodies can use straight away so it doesn't need to convert them. It lacks any plant fibres that would interfere with absorption in the small intestine, so even with a damaged microbiome you're going to get the nutrition you need while giving your gut more time to heal. Fasting is actually one of the quickest ways to rest the gut allowing it to repair, but carnivore seems to be the next best thing, because you can't fast forever.
This brings up the first argument against carnivore eating: we need fibre don't we?
Well, not really. People with inflammatory bowel disease, such as crohn's or ulcerative colitis, can struggle with fibre. We can't actually digest it ourselves, it's our gut microbes that feed on it. So it's great food for them, but if those bacterial colonies have been decimated it can take time for them to recover. Then if the gut is badly damaged as well, our digestion may never be as healthy as it could have been. Fibre can also tie up some of our nutrients, which can be a good and a bad thing. If it's sugars then it's a good thing because it will slow their absorption rate reducing glucose and insulin spikes. If it's protein or other vital nutrients, then it isn't so good, especially if our microbiome is too damaged to break the fibre down to help release it again.
Juicing vegetables is a way to get their nutrients into a form that is more easily digested, however, those nutrients will often still be in a form that the body needs to convert in order to make use of them and the juice will still have anti-nutrients that a damaged gut biome and some organs could struggle with. For example oxalates can be concentrated with juicing and they can cause kidney damage, particularly if you already have kidney problems.
Another common argument against eating only meat is that we can't get all of our micronutrients (vitamins and minerals) from it. Incidentally this argument is also one which is often used for eating only plants.
It turns out that this argument is a fallacy, because meat does, in fact, contain all our essential nutrients in a form that we can readily use, even vitamin C, as long as it's not over cooked. So if you don't like your meat rare then yes, you should certainly look at getting nutrients damaged by heat from other sources.
For those eating only plant foods they would likely need to look at eating a broad range of natural foods to access all their vital nutrients. Many of the plant based essential nutrients are in a different form to those in meats, so we need the enzymes to be able to convert them to a usable form. Some people are well adapted to this, while some aren't. Likely more people are less adapted today than ever with all the gut and mitochondrial damage we have from our lifestyles and environment.
Something else that often crops up with regards carnivore is the fear that it's too high in cholesterol, so it could increase the risk of heart attacks. This is leads to another entire topic on its own, but research is coming out which actually says otherwise and the studies which seemed to point to this have been shown as having little real evidence of this. It looks like it's much more complex than just one factor and the short version is that it's the smaller, denser LDL cholesterol molecules which cause plaques and not the large ones that we get from meat.
Then an argument against long term carnivore and keto in general is the belief that carbohydrates are essential for energy. After all, carbohydrates give us glucose and our bodies use glucose for energy. While it's accurate that we use glucose for energy, our livers are quite capable of making it for us from other sources, for example fats and proteins. We can also use ketones for energy and some consider this the preferred energy source for our brains. Ketones are made from fats, not carbs.
Now it does seem that if you are in a purely ketogenic state for a long time and then at some point eat a small amount of carbohydrate when your body isn't used to it then you will likely get an excessive insulin production reaction to it. For the most part this will settle down if you continue to eat carbs as your body readjusts, assuming you are metabolically healthy enough to do so. However, if you're diabetic then it could be a huge problem, so it's certainly something to be aware of.
Some Further Thoughts
For various reasons some people seem horrified at the idea of eating only meat and will get aggressive towards anyone suggesting it. However, when there are people for whom this way of eating has given them some semblance of a normal, pain free, discomfort free life I'd find it hard to condemn them for choosing that way of eating. An extreme case is Mikhaila Peterson whose autoimmune conditions made her life hell.
There are others who've found that eating carnivore has stopped them from constant cravings, always thinking about food and feeling hungry nearly all the time. I've actually seen people suggesting that carnivore isn't the answer for them, they just need to use more willpower. Yet when you hear these people's stories, often they've had shocking eating disorders and the relief they felt from being released from them is very apparent. As one person said, if you're calorie restricting for a period of time that you know there will be an end to you can cope, but when it's for life then it wears you down. It also works less as you get older, so you have to then restrict further. This observation comes from Dave McLeod, an incredibly driven and strong willed climber who spent many years trying to control his weight in just this way until he tried the carnivore way of eating.
When people express concern about the long term implications of eating only meat it's often pointed out that people like the Inuit ate that way throughout history, because few plants can grow in regions that are frozen for most of the year. While it's accurate that most of their diet came from meat and fish, they did occasionally have berries and would also eat seaweed. So they weren't 100% carnivorous, but their metabolisms would still have been in a state of ketosis pretty much all their lives.
Then just some final thoughts on raising children as carnivores from babies. There are some parents who are doing this after going over to a carnivore diet themselves. So far they have all said their children raised carnivore from the start have done substantially better than their other children developmentally, hitting milestones earlier than average and showing high intelligence; but I've come across plenty of parents who boast this of their children anyway. While I have no issue with someone else's choices on how they raise their children, I personally wouldn't go as extreme as carnivore for a healthy child, but would certainly consider a paleo diet, knowing what I know now. This would cut out most anti-nutrients while also giving adaptation for a broader diet. After all, when we look at all of our ancestors across the world they were all omnivorous somewhere along the scale, whether more towards meat or plant based.
What are your thoughts on this topic? Do you find it as fascinating me?
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My 2c: if we were evolved to be carnivores, we'd have carnivore dentition. Our teeth classify us as omnivores and our bodies need plant nutrition. I consider any extreme, whether veganism or carnivorism to be bad.
It's also known that diets that are too high in protein cause excessive calcium secretion into the urine and can cause kidney stones too.
There was a case many years ago of two young German men who went to live in the Namib desert to avoid internment during the second world war and they managed well and because it was a desert, their diet was largely carnivorous but after about 3 years, they had to leave because one of them developed a vitamin B deficiency. The story is told in The Sheltering Desert by Henno Martin
I rather lean towards that belief too. However, I would also say that depending on where we evolved we would likely be better at digesting a more meat or more plant based diet. There are islands (more tropical I believe) where people eat almost no meat because there aren't many larger animals around to eat. I suspect they may very well include some bugs in that diet, however, as they would be plentiful. I haven't looked into that as it wasn't pertinent to this topic, though.
That's interesting that it was a B deficiency, because aren't the B vitamins usually the ones lacking or low in plants? I wonder what meats they were eating. I'd need to look into it more, but ruminant meat seems to be indicated as the meat that has the better nutrient content and larger animals would certainly have been harder for a couple of inexperienced men to hunt down. Rabbits are notorious for being deficient in a lot of the micronutrients we need, so that could go for other small animals as well. It would be interesting to delve into that more. In a harsh climate like the desert the native people would likely have been far better adapted and likely much more knowledgeable in the foods they would need to access to get the range of nutrition they needed. Which reminds me, the Masai men often get mentioned as mainly meat eaters. They also drink a lot of milk as they farm cattle. Again that's ruminants and I suspect that they would also eat some plant foods, because the women do.
It's probably also worth noting that while there are some people who've been strict carnivore for many years, most of them do add in some limited plant foods once they have recovered from their issues, or if their issues are minor they will occasionally eat other foods on special occasions at social events. Most approach it as an elimination diet then once they are feeling better they try other foods out and see what they can tolerate and what sets their issues off.
The desert dwellers had guns and shot wild antelope. It's vitamin B12 that's lacking in plants but some of the other Bs are not found in meat in sufficient quantities.
IBD is an interesting subject, I have been reading about it in relation to a cat that's suffering from it. In cats, its an autoimmune disease and the treatment is to feed novel proteins or protein molecules that have been hydrolyzed and changed sufficiently to bypass the immune system targeting mechanisms but that brings me to another point: the cat is a hypercarnivore, meaning that they didn't evolve to digest anything besides meat and small amounts of grains or seeds found in their prey's stomachs. It's notable that they have a very short gut and quick food transit times, to avoid bacterial infections by pathogens associated with raw meat. Their "fibre" that aids peristalsis is the fur, feathers and bug exoskeletons of their prey.
We, on the other hand, have long intestines and colons geared towards fermentation of plant fibres and thats where we get vitamin k and others nutrients from. Our bacterial microbiome is very important in our health but we are generalists, not specialists in our nutrition. Autoimmune issues are complex and sometimes exclusion diets do help but as a general prescription, human carnivory is a nope
Ah yes, of course! They were army deserters so it makes sense they'd be armed. At least until they ran out of ammunition. 😆
You raise another very good point with the cats in that even people used to eat a lot more of the animal than just some cuts of steak. The Inuit also used to eat some stomach contents of reindeer.
Yes, very true. I believe it's our microbiome that gets us that little bit more specialised where needed as the microbe colonies grow depending on the foods we're eating and what's available to us. I find it interesting that even identical twins will have different microbiome make ups which explains why they might end up with different health outcomes.
With regards fibre in the diet and meat, if this is correct there is a very small amount of fibre in meat (some or all?) and I've come across suggestions a few times that parts of meat (short chain fatty acids?) act the same way as fibre does for us. This video mentions a couple of studies on low fibre and short chain fatty acids with regards to people with IBS. Again it's not so much healthy people they're talking about here as people with inflammation. There hasn't been much study into this yet, but knowing that there are people who have been eating only carnivore for a long time (some for decades) and are perfectly healthy I have to think there is something to it. That said, I also don't think it's something applies to everyone.
I guess I have more of an interest in this than some because chronic constipation is something that is in my family. For me cutting down on wheat helped to a point, but it's only since moving more to keto (not carnivore for me) that I have finally become regular. My migraines also seem connected to sugars, so that's another reason for cutting back on carbs for me. My ancestry hails from northern climates, so I often wonder if that has anything to do with it.
Agreed. If the elimination diet works then my hope for them would be that at some point they could start adding back whatever else works for them into their diet and I know some have been able to do this. They still have foods they avoid due to not tolerating them very well and that can include some animal products too. It irks me when some of the carnivore cheerleaders demonise all plant foods, because it's obviously not just plants foods that are the issue here. I expect that there are those who've come at autoimmune issues with other approaches and had successes as well. It's not a one size fits all.
BTW, thank you for your input. I love having more food for thought on this and more angles to look at.
You're welcome! I also seem to have autoimmune issues that are currently being medically investigated - possibly set off by a spider bite when I was a kid 🤦♀ and some of the foods that cause me issues are very counterintuitive. Our bodies are much weirder than we think. You will get better if the inflammation causes are removed and the gut can heal but it's complex. Never overlook the role of the gall bladder in intestinal inflammation either
Thank you for another tip.
I think it's often underestimated how much external factors can play into chronic health issues. I have a friend who had a tic bite as a kid and likely has Lymes, but it's not really recognised in Australia. She's had a host of issues building up throughout her life, including autoimmune. She's in her late 50s now and has had a mastectomy for breast cancer, and part of her colon removed for bowel cancer. She's also led a high stress life, all of which has likely brought her to this point.
I hope you manage to figure some things out to help with your autoimmune issues. ❤️
Thank you, you too!
About the gall bladder, I was surprised to learn that alkaline reflux is also a thing
Oddly same argument used on people that feel like they need to give up vegan diets for health reasons x_x
Yep this seems like a very normal thing XD
Youngest keeps saying he wants to go on a carnivore diet and J tells him no because it's cost prohibitive x_x we're not sure how much of it is him being health conscious annd how much is being a teenage boy that wants all the proteins XD
Ouch! All very well to say when you're not the one suffering for it, I guess.
🤣 He's not carnivore, but hubby has actually dropped a lot of the crap he was eating in return for eating more of the meat he loves (he always loved meat, that and baked beans). He's been feeling a lot better for it as well. He had a Macca's budget the other day and felt bloated with a headache following the next day. That put him off junk even more, so a win there.
Quite a few carnivores say that eating just meat doesn't have to be more expensive. I guess it depends on what you're wanting to eat and what you used to buy in originally. Hubby turns his nose up at mince and asks for steak, unfortunately. 🤨
Yep youngest basically just wants steak and/or chicken for every meal. He'll happily eat eggs and doesn't mind mince but refuses sausages.
I don't think he'd go full carnivore as there's stuff like chilli con carne and his favourite instant noodles (that he will load up with meat and eggs) that might be hard to give up as it will still be in the house due to the other two kids and I eating it.
I am definitely an omnivore because I eat absolutely everything, except cilantro. But, even though sometimes just a salad provokes me, it never gives me as much pleasure as eating a good piece of meat. It is incredible how my mood improves considerably after a good grilled meat, I feel much more motivated and become a more optimistic person. Although I confess that eating meat every day always tends to bore me.
I can certainly understand that! I love food and the more variety the better; that said when it's something I love I can repeat that often. I think some people do really seem to have a passion for meat, though, and will happily eat it daily and throughout the day. I think my husband could do that.
Sometimes I usually imagine humans like me been a carnivorous being, it might not really sound well. Well those carnivorous animals are unique in their way though
We are complex creatures for sure, all with individual needs.
This was a great deep dive. Thanks. I've personally seen a lot of benefit from a high protein/very very low carb diet in the past. Should get back on it. Eggs, and these little guys did most of the heavy lifting
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed. It's been a fascinating dive for me.
I don't think I'd go full carnivore myself, particularly as I feel I do benefit from a range of plant foods, but I certainly seem to be heading towards keto and I've been feeling much better for it. Grains, other than rice, seem to just set me back, so they're definitely one to avoid. I've noticed for a while now that I don't seem to digest legumes very well too, so I'm putting my foot down there.
As you said before, lack of variety is something that can get to you when reducing certain foods, so I've been taking it slow and don't miss the carbs as much this way.