This is a reupload of the 3speak Community Token Talk Episode 15 as the original has very low audio levels in some places. I have just run the audio through a limiter, so everything has been boosted, with the loudest bits reduced - some voices might sound a bit pushed compared to others, but at least you can now hear everyone!
For Show Notes, refer to the original video here.
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Still working on the timestamps at the end something happened, and I really needed this louder version to come out in order to complete them
Downvoting and flagging is the biggest issue With the hive platform. It strips all the joy out of using it, if you’re just worried about whether your post will get to the pay out without someone disagreeing with you or disliking you, that has more stake than you. Disagreement should be done through conversation not flexing power over people with less than you. It makes it no different than Facebook or other official platforms if a small group of wealthy people can dictate everything That gets seen or rewarded then have everyone else live in fear and afraid of saying anything controversial or questioning anything to do with the platform without fearing a huge down vote. I understand down voting for extreme spam and plagiarism etc but just because you don’t like somebody or you don’t like what they say, that should be dealt with with debate in conversation.
Well done you spoke very calmly and proficiently. 👍🏻 Came across amazingly
The over rewarding is also not right as people just write over rewarded as an excuse.
Hi @ura-soul,
I just came from another blog post (a proposal it was) and started to comment on one of the other commenters. But then I thought, I better direct it towards you. So here the comment which never made it to the one it was first directed to:)
I think @ura-soul's approach of (regularly?) publishing a list of downvotes is very good.
There is no judging involved in this, only the actions are shown. I thought the list he posted was impressive and you can make up your own mind. Account holders who regularly downvote blog posts reveal themselves through this all by themselves, if they are characterised by idelogical motives. The public display, if sustained and consistent, will have its long-term effect, I think.
The psychological effect of being exposed as a unilaterally motivated downvoter is, in my view, that one does not want to top this list or always be found on it.
On the downvoted side there will probably be an effect too, they too are exposed and will suspect that those who review the list will also scrutinise their posts.
In my view, this form of publicity is the best method, as it only shows the data from the outset and does not run the risk of accommodating one's own ideological content.
What the public then makes of it, the so-called community, is of course not something that can be influenced. ... It could just as well be that such a regularly published list leads to more rather than less quarrels. One cannot know that for sure.
But it seems to me that this is a rather elegant way of dealing with the issue - amongst other elegant ways which I don't know, probably.
Are you planing on publishing the downvoting-list on a regular basis? I think it was a good idea doing so.
Thank you and greetings
Thanks, I agree totally. I intend to put the finished code on a new website that will be updated regularly (maybe once every hour), so it will always be available. I have had to work for a client for a few days, but I will get back to the Untrending list asap and publish it in the next few days ideally.
Thank you, I am glad to hear that you will be on it.
Someone I think, @lordbutterfly, asked about Tim Pool. @lukewearechange is here and is really close with Tim. I am not sure what Luke tells Tim about his experience on Hive with the downvotes, that last time I checked were significantly less since it was shown he promotes Hive on twitter and drives traffic to Hive.
Someone like @kennyskitchen / @kennysgaminglife might help get you in contact with Luke aside from contacting him directly on his hive posts.
Yes, I spoke with Luke at Steemfest in Poland, but I don't recall seeing him write any comments actively on here in a long time. He might possibly read replies though, if they are repeated and written in ALL CAPS. lol
I was engaging with his content for a few months not too long ago and he was actually the most interactive youtube personality with responses and upvotes especially as he was flagged a lot.
Ill try and reach out to We Are Change. He doesnt seem to be active and hes promoting Steemit on his youtube channel, not Hive and is just farming rewards without any engagement. If hes of help Ill try and see if he wants to get more involved and Ill try and get his downvotes to stop.
If hes of no help and nonresponsive ill prolly try and get as many people I can to zero all his posts.
I dont care what he posts about or his content but promoting Steemit and farming rewards on Hive without contributing anything to Hive is a big NO for me for anyone that actually can help significantly but chooses not to.
I understand but there is a long history with his account which will surly will be hard to follow the massive downvotes and conversations on his posts challenging him just as you are right now. It was pointed out he was indeed promoting Hive on twitter (youtube was not mentioned) and driving traffic to Hive.
That was about three maybe 4 months ago. Maybe reach out to such a large and influential creator before conducting retaliatory downvotes for using a platform he is free to use and maybe got tired of the Downvotes here which I would imagine make him less inclined to make exclusive content for Hive or continue promoting it while driving traffic here.
I stopped curating and engaging with the truth community primarily because of massive downvotes on content like Lukes or the outerlight for example and left with the impression I should avoid such content to avoid the DVs. It has been nice curating art and seeing virtually 0 upvotes except for once with a person promoting their opensea artist account.
Absolutely. If hes opened to help Ill do my best to talk to everyone downvoting him. As it stands now you have to be honest and say that it doesnt look good what hes doing.
I mean hes literally promoting all our competitors, Steemit, Minds and taking rewards here while not doing the same for us. Steemit being everything he seems to oppose in his videos.
I dont want a share of the reward pool going to him for that.
Im not saying he needs to be silenced, nor can he be, but wouldnt you say that Hivers should not be rewarding him for doing what hes doing right now?
Hopefully that will change.
His wallet is stagnate and he is not moving Hive from what I can tell. Have you seen the message transaction I sent him? I have been pretty bummed out he just leaves it stagnate but maybe he lost his active keys😄
Have you noticed youtube deletes comments about hive immediately? Or is that on certain content? As it is any hive related video I upload goes automatic 360p or lower
Yo, not a Truther but I have respect for truthers who don’t go crazy trying to convince me. I’m really glad you are still posting and haven’t given up so easily.
I keep trying to tell the one whale I see downvoting from time to time who also upvotes me from time to time that people aren’t just upset about downvotes because of money, it’s about power and creating a friendly atmosphere for different ideas to flow freely.
I feel like he will come around eventually but it’s hard to convince him when people give up and start talking shit about hive after just one or two downvotes.
I’ve thought about posting on this even though I’ve never been downvoted but I’m still trying to feel out the situation so I understand better where everyone is coming from.
It’s an imperfect system but if people like you and I stick around I really think we can come up with a solution. The fact that 3speak will have you on to talk about it and the fact that this post wasn’t downvoted are good news and that’s the Hive I know and love.