As I keep getting personal messages (in discord, etc.) why I sometimes remove my upvotes, as well as why some authors stopped receiving my upvotes, seems it's time to put more light on this.
Yes, indeed, I have removed a number of my upvotes in the last few weeks.
Those were the UP's, which got through in spite of my recent personal rules, started for curation on POB tribe.
(it happens sometimes, as some of my votes go out while in the bot auto-mode, and/or been placed as a curation trail. There is no secret, that I am not able to maintain 100.00% manual curation all the time, and so far I could not find out how to make my recent rule technically active, while on trails and voting bot)
So what is this new rule?
It is rather simple:
I do not want any more to support those authors posts, who have their post or comment rewards set to 10% beneficiary to proofofbrainio
This beneficiary is hard coded in the front end of POB tribe, {proofofbrain.io}, so possibly a certain number of tribe authors even don't realize, where their collected rewards go, and why.
I also sometimes see others are doing this beneficiary manually, even setting it at higher levels than 10%
I still upvote those people, when I see their post or comment without this -10%, and this fact can be a proof that I have nothing against those authors in person.
But those who are willing to give away 1/10 of your rewards (from every post!) to a personal account - please do not expect my support anymore.
Anyone is free to give a part (or even all) of their rewards to this private account, but I do not want to help you in this, in any possible way. At least - until I see a clear evidence that those funds are used exactly in a way how it was declared, in the early days of this tribe.
I just DO NOT want to be a part of this process, in any way.
I have no doubt there will be few advocates coming here soon, trying to remain me how it was declared that these "beneficiary" funds will be used for tribe's development etc etc. No need to remind me. I remember.
But after a half a year (!) waiting, I DO NOT trust those words anymore. It is nothing but plain words now.
The FACTS what I see - are different, and you probably see them too.
The owner of this "proofofbrainio" account comes to POB once in FIVE months, is not engaged with members of the tribe any more, does not respond to the tribe member's numerous public requests in POB blogs and discord, has done ZERO progress in announcing/updating POB roadmap. On top of all, he has changed the mandatory "beneficiary" -10% cut-off from a community account (@pob-fund) into a PERSONAL account.
Why should I still treat this account different from any other regular private account?
Why is this account created with "top level" secret, who exactly is behind it?
I have seen people guessing is him a male, a female, a girl ?
I even have seen one assumption, that I (onealfa) am that secret person behind "proofofbrainio" 😃
I am not going to tell you how you should use your funds, your tokens, your rewards.
YOU ARE FREE to do what you want. At any time. Always.
Just like I am free to vote only those posts/comments which I find suitable.
And I want you to know this.
Can you collect my votes again?
Sure !
Stop using proofofbrain.io front end, avoid this toxic -10%, and you will have no problems receiving my upvotes once again.
Every single day my upvotes distribute over 1000 of POB tokens, 50% of them goes to the authors. Every day.
Do you really want to refuse them?
P.S.
(and I am not a secret. Not at all. Just google for my ID "onealfa". You probably will find not only my real name, telephones, emails, place where I live, but even many much older facts of my bio. I use "onealfa" on any and all imaginable social networks, FB, twitter, Insta, YT, Reddit, medium, etc etc. My Mom has taught me when I was still a kid - "be Cautious with people who behave very secret - usually their future intentions are very bad..." )
Well, I don't use POB and I've noticed you do support other content creators by upvoting. It is something other big account on hive doesn't do. Thanks for supporting naive creators Sir!
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Yes, when I realised it I switched it to cinetv.blog and in case of non cine content i use peaked to post my content on hive blockchain. This is a really valid issue that you brought forward.
A good reminder to always check before you hit that ¨PUBLISH¨ button on every front-end. I´m sure not everyone had noticed this 10% beneficiary. And thank you for bringing this up ... I hadn´t noticed this before. But I sure will remember it from now on. And not because I´m afraid of not receiving a big fat onealfa vote but just for the sake of my tokens.
I don´t see any reason why I would give 10% away to a personal account with every post I write. And if there would have been development, it was another story ...
""be Cautious with people who behave very secret - usually their future intentions are very bad..." Wow what a powerful quote for your mother enlighten you with... Although I think some projects makes sense to have an anonymous background I believe as we grow into the future of social networks that the ability to be more transparent and direct will hold a far deeper meaning.
I mean I think if people wish to be a "content creator" the goal of it is in their writing how can they target the audiences they wish to engage and be involved with. Often times when we are in pursuit of pixelated metrics people tend to change their sense of self towards the direction that they think would net them better results, but I think through that we lose our own voice/clarity of who we are.
This discovery process in hive has been quite amazing and eye opening for me as an individual who has gone through so many unique experiences and I will continue to use this platform to challenge myself and grow. My main purpose was building a brand and building out/scaling communities and that hasn't changed, but in how I do so has and will continue to always evolve.
I think that it was rather humorous and quite impowering to see you say "I do not want any more to support those authors(scratched out) posts, who have their post or comment rewards set to 10% beneficiary to proofofbrainio" Because to me yeah sure the author of the post is like the foundation/backings that give it credibility, but we should really be analyzing the content of such posts if we wish to be unbiased and grow our own personal understanding of not only the author, but the context of the individuals post.
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I've noticed I stopped getting your upvotes recently and was wondering why. Glad it wasn't personal.
I don't use the POB front end but I must still be contributing to this somehow unwittingly. How can I turn this off?
Thanks for your offer on my liquid pob. I'm not a player or trader and this is all totally beyond me, but I like the idea of VYB and plan to give that a good go, hence the stash of liquid pob. I'll also power some pob back up very soon.
Despite the efforts of some big accounts I'm a stubborn bastard and do not want to be run off the platform!
But as far as rewards go, 10% is the least of my worries - LOL...
This is a really good point about the percentages that get sent mostly when users like myself who are fairly new do not realize that this has been placed into the posts. I will go back again and double check my posts on @jonamccallum & @streamjonathan Thanks for the reminder..
good thing I'm a lazy pleb and mostly use ecency as a front end :)))
Thanks for updating your rules for the benefits of newbie like me. I have yet to set any beneficiary for my post apart from the default 5% to Hive. I guess I am still I'm learning process and this Will take me a lot of time.
If I post directly with Peakd's POB tag, do I get -10% of my POB?
I was not aware of that and I did not see your vote in my post anymore
the curatoria account is growing slowly
Super interesting and air clearing. Before I publish any post, I delete all those beneficiary accounts not because of anything but because I want to delete it. I'm not here to make anyone get filthy rich from my energy after ignoring masses of people.
Well said sir!
I had never noticed this issue, thanks for the alert.
The POB tribe could easily be the most successful community on HIVE, but the founder is messing up!
Hmm.. this really makes me speechless after going through every words and sentence am just afraid I could not find something to say cus I am totally speechless right now..
No one can accuse you of not being transparent here. Thanks for explaining.
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Whoa, I had no idea of this as I was new in this community.
Thank you for bringing it to my attentiion.
Excelente post, muy bien explayado, gracias por compartir, te dejo mi voto y te sigo, saludos.
Do you really think it would benefit the community?
YES.
Especially, if this will help to get the founder out of the coma state.
Am begining to worry so much about the 10% of a thing also,with pob fund and other money generated from all activities in the platform,what on earth is the 10% meant for again.
I don't want to say that users are been extort here anyway
Duely noted.
I hope that when the founder sees the drop in revenue, they wake up and realize this is a great community and they deserve better. The longer this issue goes unaddressed the worse it is for every stakeholder. Your Mom didn't raise no fool! lol Keep fighting the good fight and Thanks for all you do, really appreciate ya
Although I haven't used the POB front end for quite some time, I had no idea that there was a 10% cut there. Thankfully it was mentioned to me a few days ago, to make sure not to use it. I do understand when these things are coded for development, and after all, the authors are free to use another front end if they disagree, but I do feel 6 months is a long time to collect these funds without any development. Thanks for letting everyone know!
Lol, I accidentally posted my comment in the POB front end and wasn't sure if that meant a 10% cut as well, so I removed it and published again via peakd :-)
Have you ever considered upvoting outside of your existing bubble? There is quality content also outside of pob and leofinance :)
I am just seeing this post, but I have been roped into the conversation by a few people. I fully agree with your stance here, I would not support forcing 10% all all rewards to use a front end that offers not value over any other.
LEO and STEM are the first to use this feature, to encourage people to use our front ends (and gain SEO benefit as a result). The difference though is LEO and STEM only penalize LEO and STEM rewards, not ALL REWARDS. This is not something I can support unless the front end offered something truly unique over other applications. I would not include "votes" as something unique justifying the sacrafice of all rewards, in fact I would discourage it.
https://proofofbrain.io is a cookie cutter tribe front end without any specific niche focus. It isn't even a community as it is a general reward token without a specific niche. I don't say this to be harsh or mean, but it is reality. I actually fully support POB as a tribe and community.
As a tribe owner, I have the highest and most aggressive penalty for not using our https://stemgeeks.net front end. 50% of all rewards (author only) are burned if you do not post on STEMGeeks.net. This however is only STEM rewards, the reason for this is to minimize the reward pool distribution those outside of the STEMGeeks community likely just tagging an unrelated Bitcoin post with the #technology tag. I'm actually considering raising this to 75%. This actually makes the token far more valuable to those in the community and participating. POB isn't a niche and I'm not sure I would call it a community either, in my opinion it is another reward token.
All that being said, I am skeptical of the choice to make this change in the community and the real goal behind it.
Hallo. Schöner Beitrag von dir. Du bist ein ehrlicher Mensch, dass gefällt mir so sehr an dir.
Schönen Advent!
Liebe Grüße
Dragon-ti
Does it set it if you use the Ecency front end?
Woah learning alot of stuff, thanks
I have a doubt. Does this 10% deduction is applicable to POB rewards only or it takes Hive and HBD rewards as well? Anyone knows this? 🤔🙄
It takes all Sir
That's not look good. What the founder is doing with all those Hive and HBD rewards too, quite questionable. Atleast we could expect better projects and some real action from him. Once in a week appearance is not much to ask for. 🙄😔
I'm posting on blue brain for a while.
@onealfa, @vikbuddy, @mineopoly:
@badbitch has the right of it. As it stands taxes in POB are as follows:
20% non-native posts
10% native posts for ALL rewards
@onealfa, can you comment on the rewards from that burn post you made? I'm interested in that test you did.
I believe mineopoly is also correct regarding blue brain. I think the 20% POB tax only applies and you keep all other rewards you earn.
So if I post in blue brain ie: proofofbrain.blog are you saying I lose 20% of my POB rewards straight off. What is the least penalising approach for creating WOTW posts? I assume blue brain frontend and don't select pink POB community? Can one post in blue brain and select blue brain community instead of pink brain?
I just post on the front end, but I’ll be switching to peakD in the next post. 20% of POB rewards is cheaper given my recent earnings
I think the rewards awarded is the same whether you post on proofofbrain.blog, ecency, peakd, or hive.blog. I think the idea of locking a community into a particular front end is antithetical to the ethos of decentralization. If the lion's share of your author rewards is in POB only, then it might make sense for you to use proofofbrain.io.
These proceeds I hope would go into building one of the two POB front ends. I got some at the very beginning and then kind of just kept this going out of my own pocket.
@vikbuddy
I think it is applicable to any platform on the hive blockchain....so the 10% of the hive rewards will still go to the account..